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Air Box Removal Kit
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I want to get an airbox removal kit but it looks like their is more than one out there. I saw one at British Customs and another at newspeedmaster.com. Does anyone know the difference in the two/ have any opinions?
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dahla
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06/28/10 12:13 PM
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The big consensus on site is: buy the one from newspeedmaster.com. 
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or go to the tech vault and look up ghetto freak, save some money
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Or triumph performance has one too. I bought the freak kit and a year later moved my battery and eliminated it all together. Looking back I would do a ghetto freak set up if you want to keep the stock look. I thought it was pricey for a poor fit. Bolt rubbed the pods and I couldn't get my cheese graters back on because the holes didn't match up well. If you like the open look you can do that for 1/3 the price. Here is the tpusa link www.triumphperformanceusa.com
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I went ghetto freak after considering buying one of those kits and have never regretted it.
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I bought the Freak from newspeedmaster but once I gopt it was disappointed. It worked OK with some tweeking to make things line up but it's a lot of money for not very much. Had I known what it actually consisted of I would have made my own. If you can do your own it does the job.
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I like the empty look that the Freak kit allows. Does the ghetto version do the same. Does anyone have pics?
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The Freak does not leave the open look it leaves the bike looking stock but there is no air box leaving room to mount other stuff.
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Madrid
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(Adjunct)
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07/07/10 11:54 AM
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There is a DIY kit available from Bellacorse. Anyone tried one of these? Probably the commercial version of the ghetto freak.
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If youre looking for the open look then youre talking about relocating the battery, ditching the side covers, and using k&n pods. If you wanna keep the stock plastic then you want the kit from newspeedmaster the "freak kit"
If you want the open look, check out this link and let me know if youre interested.
http://www.bonnevilleamerica.com/forums/...part=1&vc=1
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JAEGER
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(Adjunct)
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07/07/10 01:49 PM
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Nothing but good things to say about BrokenFixed's kits! Good stuff, highly recommended, and really alters the look of the bike (for the better!)
--Jaeger
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So brokenfixed, what did you do to put in the k&n pods? Do you see any performance benefit? I.E. i thought you needed the freak kit for the pods and i dont want the stock look. So if there is an easy/cheap way to just get rid of the airbox and put in pods ide be happy.
Also, don't worry, the battery relocation kit is on my to-do list.
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Brokenfixed, do you have any pics how the fuse box and solenoid is mounted and how you arranged the wires after putting on this kit?
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The process is pretty straight forward and isnt too complicated. Ive had quite a few customers over this past year that had the same questions as you. I would say that organizing the wiring harness to fit under the seat is the trickier part.
Ive been trying to make a complete kit so guys have everything right in front of them but I'd have to go on the books to get wholesale prices from k&n. So you'll need to get the pods separate as well as a couple other parts.
I got mine at Advanced Auto Parts. They had to order them from their warehouse it took a day or so. They match internet prices so I brought a printout with a lower price.
Theres 2 model numbers. Left and Right
RC-2900 (right)
RC-2890 (left)
Anyway, you need a "carb brace" and a "crankcase breather filter" along with the k&n pods and my bracket for the complete setup.
The carb brace is to support the carbs after you remove the airbox. Newspeedmaster.com sells a shiny piece of steel for $40 to do this job. Or you can use a small 3/8" turnbuckle from home depot and a 1/4" bolt. It basically spans between the upper engine mount with a bolt through an existing hole, and reaches down between the carbs to hook on under the bar between the 2 carbs. Read this
http://www.bonnevilleamerica.com/forums/...e=3&fpart=1
The crankcase breather filter, is a tiny filter that mounts to the tube coming out of the crankcase that used to hook into the bottom of the airbox. You'll see it on the top of the engine casing running up underneath the airbox. You can get that filter from newspeedmaster.com. Right here
http://newspeedmaster.com/html/crankcase_breather.html
Feel free to ask me any other questions, its not a problem at all, at first its hard to comprehend, but once you get the bike opened up and learn the components, everything finds its way together.
Of course adding more air means adding more fuel and exhaust so you'll need to rejet and look into opening up those stock pipes or getting some new ones. Heres a site to learn how to rejet.
http://www.dinqua.com/Triumph/carbs1.html
Heres the under the seat view. You'll see that the fuse box isnt rigidly mounted. Its held in place by its own wiring. And on top of the battery clamped to the battery strap is the solenoid.
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You, sir, just made my day and saved me quite a bit of money.
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no problem at all...just send me a PM when youre ready to buy a bracket. And if you think you can make one yourself, go for it and I'll give you a hand with any questions.
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Thanks for the reply!
Looks like a squeeze there. Mine is an EFI, and has a couple of sensors more to squeeze in and the wiring order is slightly different. But I think I should be able to work around it.
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yeah Ive never sold one to an EFI customer before so you'd be the first that I know of with that setup. Could be a couple of things to work out differently. Keep me posted.
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So if i just got with removing the airbox and replacing them with the pods does anyone know which jets i should use when i redo the carbs? I have an '04 speedy with long TORs and AI removed (if that makes a difference). I also live at well below 1,000 ft.
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you can get it pretty close with this jetting calculator from Dinqua's website.
http://dinqua.com/
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dudley
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(Complete Newb)
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07/14/10 07:16 PM
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in your photo I noticed the addition of your crankcase breather-does the length of the rubber hose matter/? 
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I doubt it matters. I just used the hose that previously attached to the bottom of the airbox. Brings the breather back to pretty much the same spot as in Tom's pic.
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yeah thats the stock breather tube. If you look closely I used the little metal bracket that holds back those little wires near the sprocket cover to hold the breather filter. I just lined up the bracket upside down on the top two bolts and bolted the sprocket cover back on. Then mounted the filter to that little tab.
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dudley
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(Complete Newb)
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07/15/10 09:01 PM
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Thanks for the info-I didn't think the tube length would matter.I cut mine about aninch and half past the 90 bend where it slips on the crankcase nipple-with the filter upright.Have beat the ****** out of three baffels(stock exaust)man thats one tough job removing those suckers-removed a.i-installed k&n filter in stock air box-rejetted 130 mains.2005 speedmaster (also have 2003 thunderbird)love them triumphs."Friends wonder about friends who ride hardley a davidsons"
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AlphaLeaders bracket just got sent out.
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FriarJohn
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("Lighten up, Francis.")
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07/26/10 02:27 PM
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Well if you're going to announce them I'll definitely make my own, even if I don't really have the time... 
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haha...I just wanted this thread to end on a good note.
Guy gets question about freak kit, weighs the options, comes to the darkside...haha
And yes you can make your own, everyone can make their own, and thats the beauty of it all.
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So If I make my own FREAK kit, can I keep the stock look? Or is the air box holding some plastic cover, battery or the cheese graders on or anything? What I am gathering I'll need air filters, crank case filter, rejet and something to hold my carbs? Is that It? Anyone know of a post step by step of air box removal?
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SDKimo
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(Adjunct)
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08/16/10 09:16 AM
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The kit has a bracket that holds the plastic on....PM me...
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pm sent....
for anyone else
wanting to add FREAK and keep stock look......on the cheap
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Madrid
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(Adjunct)
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08/17/10 07:03 AM
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FYI - Bellacorse has a DIY Freak kit for a lot less $$$.
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SDKimo
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(Adjunct)
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08/21/10 09:11 AM
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What happened to the "getto freak" instructions ? I search for it and couldn't find it
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Ryk
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(Learned Hand)
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08/21/10 09:35 AM
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Ghetto or getto, spelling counts sometimes in a search? 
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SDKimo
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(Adjunct)
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08/21/10 11:05 AM
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Thanks...the link is broken..
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Ryk
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(Learned Hand)
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08/21/10 11:59 AM
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Bummer that
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FriarJohn
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("Lighten up, Francis.")
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08/21/10 04:46 PM
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Just get a couple pod airfilters and start trimming away your airbox where they hit. And don't cut off anything that is used to mount your side cover bits. Simple. 
Or eliminate the airbox altogether, get Brokenfixed battery relocation bracket, and run pods wide open like me and the people who have BF's bracket.
Or say the heck with it, pull your snorkle, pull the little rubber restrictor thingeys near the carbs inside the airbox, and drill a few holes in the bottom of the airbox in the oval inside the filter.
And then, regardless, rejet your carbs (or remap your EFI) and ride the p!ss out of it.
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SDKimo
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(Adjunct)
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08/23/10 07:36 AM
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thanks Ryk and Friar John I was trying to help jyatesmp. I thought I had all the part to my freak kit but I don't. I think he wants have the side panel remain, and as I remember the ghetto feak did that.
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FriarJohn
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("Lighten up, Francis.")
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08/23/10 05:05 PM
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Yes, but the ghetto freak isn't rocket science.
I may have saved a copy of the GF PDF file at home. I'll try and remember to look for it.
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Anyone have a link or instructions for the ghetto freak? I can not find any. What filters flow and filter the best? I want the stock look but not at $300.
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FriarJohn
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("Lighten up, Francis.")
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08/26/10 02:24 PM
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K&N RC-2900 and RC-2890.
(and yes, I forgot to look for the file)
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This is my first post here (though I have been lurking for a long time) and I am getting ready to remove the air box on my 08 BA. Ordered up a bracket from Tom, got my filters in the mail, already fabricated a carb supeort,etc. I have been trying to find a resource for the main and pilot jets abd ran across several recomendations to NOT remove the air box. One of these recommendations state the following:
"If you scrap the Triumph airbox you're going to have to find some pod filters to fit the carbs and either fabricate some sort of mounts for the side panels on the bike or scrap them too. You will have problems with pod filters because the CVK's are airflow operated and any slight variation between the inlet pressures can cause radically different behavior between the carbs. Inlet pressure differences can be caused by variables such as rain on the pods and airflow patterns around the bike when it's moving."
Any thoughts or comments from those of you who have done the converstion.
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Did the same to mine last spring and haven't had any issues. Got caught in the rain a couple times as well.
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many owners here ride with pods on their bikes with no issues. I own the freak kit which is decent and accounts for the brackets etc, also leaving a nice little cubby for storage and such where ther air box used to reside.
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bistro
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03/09/12 07:19 PM
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Installing the Freak with covers will prevent side winds and turbulence from blowing into K&Ns causing miss fire at high speeds.
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FriarJohn
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("Lighten up, Francis.")
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03/09/12 11:06 PM
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Huh. Never noticed it myself.
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Well I got everything pulled apart and removed today. Air box is out in one piece as is the old battery braket. I have lots of unused plugs in the harness, so I am thinking I might completely remove the harness and clean up all the wiring I don't need.
I was also wondering what everyone's solutions have been for the ingnition switch? There is only one screw available now that the bracket is out.
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Quote:
Installing the Freak with covers will prevent side winds and turbulence from blowing into K&Ns causing miss fire at high speeds.
This is more likely a problem when youre running too lean on the main jets. I had the same problem.
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The ignition/fuse box portion is still used in the same spot and mounted with the lower bolt. I cut the battery tray so that the ignition portion is still intact, and reusable.
This was a revision based on another members suggestion. He assures that the lower mounting bolt is all thats needed. Since then theres been a handful of members with this setup and Ive never heard any complaints.
Feel free to PM me with any other specific questions, its not a problem.
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I sent Tom a PM, but maybe some others have some recommendations for getting the K&N filters to stay on the carbs. As I tighten the clamps, it just pops the filter right off. There's got to be somethign silly I'm overlooking or not thinking about....right?
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dont think I got the PM
the trick is to not tighten them really at all...haha. Its crazy but it works. Too much pressure just squeezes them off. I had problems when I first got the bike, lost the right side down the road once or twice. Then stuck some wire on the side just in case and played around with how tight I'm making them. Its been since 07 since I lost one and I dont have the wire anymore as a safety.
Also you get yourself some wider hose clamps. I cant remember if I'm using the k&n ones or some wider stainless ones that came from the original owner. A wider clamp will get you a bit more bite at the end of the rubber edge. Thats really where the pressure needs to be.
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yup its a bit of a trick, push them in all the way and then tighten them to the extent that the rings are snug but not crushed, you don't want to squeeze those boots to hard anyways you can split, crack or let some air in past the filter, just nice and snug. I have a friend of mine (and i might try this) who puts a little bit, like a smear of shoe goo (bought at any hardware store) around the inside of the filter opening then seats it on the carb snugs it up, waits for it to dry and done, water tight, won't hurt any rubber, and when you remove it it peels off sort of like when you put white glue on your hands.
Peronally i think shoe goo is way up there with gopher tape.
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hmmm...well I guess I will just snug them ever so slightly and see how that works. I'm gonna use the safety wire though...just in case.
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Hope you haven't deformed the end already or you may need to replace them to get them to stay on.
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Well today was the first ride and I beat it up pretty good trying to find flat spots in throttle response and the filters stayed put...I'd of never bet on it, but just as you guys stated, a little snug is all ya need.
Now I have tio fidd;e with some things to get the carbs dialed in. I get a backfire through the carbs every now and again when I'm sitting at idel and rev it a tad. I started with 42/135 and no shims, but let the mixture screw alone...maybe a half a turn in will do it....we'll see tomorrow.
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sounds like youre probably lean on your idle circuit. Air mixture screws need to be let out a bit if I remember correctly. Max to let them out is 3.5 turns. If youre still lean, bump up your pilot and screw the air screws in and work your way back out.
Its been a while, I'm just testing my memory at this point. Someone will jump in if I got it wrong. Ian the dogg taught me this ****** a long time ago...haha.
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Quote:
There is a DIY kit available from Bellacorse. Anyone tried one of these? Probably the commercial version of the ghetto freak.
I used this kit along with the ghetto freak instructions. It was fairly easy to do and did not take much time at all. I wanted to keep the stock look and the airbox to store my new shark amplifier. First I got the airbox out (following the ghetto freak instructions). After removing the airbox, cut the front of the box out (the part that was attached to the carbs) making sure to keep any needed screw holes or attachment points I needed to. After that I cut out the entire bottom section and the baffle that was inside the airbox. I replaced the bottom of the airbox with a small square of tin using epoxy to glue the tin in place. I cut a rectangle section out of the side of the airbox (on the America cover side). This allows me access to my amplifier by simply removing the America side cover. I also drilled a few holes in the bottom of the airbox to allow any water to drain. My amplifier is said to be water proof so I am not too concerned with it getting wet, I just do not want it submerged in water.
If I were just using the airbox as storage or just keeping the stock look but adding pods this would have taken me no time at all. I was adding speakers, the amplifier, rejetting and adding a 12v adapter all at the same time. Waiting for the epoxy to dry, running the added wires, and making arrangements to fit the amplifier all took extra time. I did the tear down Friday after work (could have had it all done on Friday if I were just doing the ghetto freak). This included all the cutting of the airbox, adding the tin to the bottom of the airbox to make it a flat surface, changing my oil/filter, adding the diy freak kit and rejetting.
I had to wait 24 hours for my epoxy to reach its full strength so I went about Saturday slow. I ran all my needed wires, speakers, wired remote ECT. Saturday evening I put the air box back in, added my amplifier and put the bike back together. I ran into a problem when I went to put my hard saddlebags back on. My bolts had some thin threads on them and I decided I had better replace them with upgraded bolts. The stores were closed, but I was able to start the bike and take it on a test run without my saddlebags. Everything worked great. Sunday after Church I got my needed bolts, got the saddlebags back on and road again just to make sure everything worked just as well as it did Saturday.
I did have one issue before I started this project. Bellacorse sent me 135 main jets. He said he did not trust the online calculators and wanted me to start with 135’s and tune it from there. Well I had already gone from 124’s (Toro’s, stock filter, snorkel in and not drilled) to 137.5 (JC Whitney’s, uni single, removed snorkel and drilled airbox). I contacted eddy and he sent me a set of 150’s (I already have 155’s, 145’s, 140’s and a few other sizes from other projects over the years. The calculator says to use 155’s but I went with 150’s and will dial it in using my sparkplugs as my guide.
I did not take pictures of my build as I followed the instructions already on the site. Instead of fabbing up holders and things as the instructions did, I just made note of what holes and tabs I needed, took my time and cut around them. I will try to get pictures of the end result up when I can.
Hopes this helps anyone looking at adding pods. I can notice a difference by way of butt dyno. I am just awaiting for my mpg to go to crap now. I had been getting 49-53 on the hwy and 42-46 city (both using US Gallons and miles) we shall see how bad the larger jets hit me. Hope I can keep my wrist from twisting.
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