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okiebob
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Re: IT's THROTTLE POSITION - NOT RPM! NOT SPEED!! [Re: Dinqua]
      #258056 - 09/22/07 07:56 PM

Could you please explain this throttle position thing again for me. I am a little confused as to how it really relates to speed and rpm.



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Re: IT's THROTTLE POSITION - NOT RPM! NOT SPEED!! [Re: okiebob]
      #268013 - 10/30/07 01:21 PM

From what i have been able to learn here...even through the sarcasm ... is that throttle position(1/8th turn, 1/4 turn, 1/2 turn, WOT) is not relevant or relative to speed or RPM when measuring performance(HP/Torque)BUT how well the fuel to air mixture happens in the carb. Basically what you are looking at is the ability to consistently generate the proper mixture so you can take advantage of it at any speed or rpm... I think that's it anyway

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Re: IT's THROTTLE POSITION - NOT RPM! NOT SPEED!! [Re: greentp99]
      #268062 - 10/30/07 05:02 PM

Quote:

From what i have been able to learn here...even through the sarcasm ... is that throttle position(1/8th turn, 1/4 turn, 1/2 turn, WOT) is not relevant or relative to speed or RPM...




Correct


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...when measuring performance(HP/Torque)BUT how well the fuel to air mixture happens in the carb. Basically what you are looking at is the ability to consistently generate the proper mixture so you can take advantage of it at any speed or rpm... I think that's it anyway




Yes, but why (or rather, how) is the question. Measuring the throttle position allow you to target the specific components of the carburator system. The carbs deliver fuel through a series of point. Closed throttle to about 1/4 throttle is mostly the pilot system, 1/4 to 1/2 is mostly the needle jet, 1/4 to 3/4 is the jet needle, 3/4 to WOT is the main jet.



The reason for using throttle position is to isolate the individual parts of the fuel delivery circuit for tuning to maximum efficiency.

Here is a pretty good web page....http://www.dansmc.com/carbs2.htm


Clear as mud?

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moeAdministrator
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Re: IT's THROTTLE POSITION - NOT RPM! NOT SPEED!! [Re: Dinqua]
      #362314 - 12/07/08 05:42 PM

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Arrrrghhhh!
I don't mind answering questions at all, don't misinterpret this, but read read read!

I must get 4-5 emails everyday asking the same general questions...."What jets at this rpm? What jets at this speed??? My bike runs bad when I am in 5th gear??"

Setting up carbs is done by using the throttle position! DO NOT use a specific RPM range or a certain speed. They will do nothing but get you confused and possibly into trouble.

Read this CVK Tuning guide (same as ours but a larger carb - STILL the same) AND the Mikuni Tuning Guide for reference on how to actually use the throttle with small pieces of tape for markers.

It's not rocket science (unless you want it to be). If I can do it, so can anyone else just by following the steps outlined in these pages.

Throttle position is the secret!

Ok, rant over, and it's beer thirty.




This CVK Tuning guide (same as ours but a larger carb - STILL the same) is dead.

This mud_dog450 is alive.

this is not Thu Apr 13 2006 07:16am: this is beer thirty for all yous throttlepostitionmeisters.

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Re: IT's THROTTLE POSITION - NOT RPM! NOT SPEED!! [Re: moe]
      #362317 - 12/07/08 05:51 PM

OK...so...I've completely lost track of all the people I used to love chatting with here because I'm lame and just don't get here anymore the way I used to...and out of nowhere I get a reply in my inbox to a post I just KNOW I read ... like... a LONG time ago. Do we really have to teach the newbies about the deadthreads and archive? And this is supposed to be the computer savvy generation? Jeesh

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Re: IT's THROTTLE POSITION - NOT RPM! NOT SPEED!! [Re: moe]
      #362318 - 12/07/08 05:52 PM

And...Moe...nice to hear / see your name again. BB

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Re: IT's THROTTLE POSITION - NOT RPM! NOT SPEED!! [Re: Bluesbass]
      #362320 - 12/07/08 06:00 PM

I love this site for various reasons. This thread brings to mind two. The plainly funny fellas and their good natured ribbing, and the fact that I can learn just enough here to know I'm never gonna understand some of the mechanics of my new America so I'm gonna continue to really like the mechanics of my old Triumphs. You guys are a hoot.

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Re: IT's THROTTLE POSITION - NOT RPM! NOT SPEED!! [Re: Bluesbass]
      #362374 - 12/08/08 03:59 AM

BB,

every time i see horse manure in the road i think of Mennonites,...and you. jeez some association huh? keep on rocking brother.

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Re: IT's THROTTLE POSITION - NOT RPM! NOT SPEED!! [Re: moe]
      #362429 - 12/08/08 02:09 PM

Moe,

Heheh...and I presume I should be thanking you for this compliment?

BB

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Re: IT's THROTTLE POSITION - NOT RPM! NOT SPEED!! [Re: Dinqua]
      #387328 - 04/22/09 10:51 AM

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