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beanache
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Valve adjustment / clearance check
      #3231 - 01/25/05 08:38 PM

After combining all the info I could find from the old posts I was able to come up with a plan to check my clearance. Thanks to Moe and others. I am going to cut and past some info if anybody else wants to do it and maybe I will be able to put some pics in. If not they are in my gallery.

Moe wrote:
Think about a valve adjustment check when the valves get too loud. The original miles check was at the 8K mark but the recommendations have changed to the 12K mark. A friend has a 2001 bonneville and has never adjusted his valves. He has just over 30K on his bike too. He did check the clearances at the 25K mark and the valves clearances where fine.

So check your clearances if in doubt. Make sure the motor is at room temperature. That means a 24 hr cool down to be sure. I would recommend buying a METRIC set of feeler gauges. Pop off the pillion pad, saddle, tank console, and fuel tank. Displace the wiring harness to the left of the top tube. Remove the camshaft cover to the right of the bike. Remove the spark plugs then while the rear wheel is off the ground and the bike is in a soft gear, rotate the rear wheel as needed to check the clearances. Write the clearances down! Zip her back up and your done.

Need adjustment?

Buy a device that will measure the shim thicknesses.
Purchase in advance the sealing washers for the oil cross over tube
Purchase in advance the little o-ring for the oil cross over tube.
Consider purchasing the Pre-tensioner tool and lock ring pins.
Consider a new camshaft cover gasket.
Consider new camshaft cover washers.
Consider new spark plugs.
Consider new oil and oil filter.

Now all you have to wait for will be the shims needed should the dealer not have the size you need in stock.

Timing alignment. Do not rotate the engine once you have the camshafts aligned per the pic in the shop manual. Replace the camshafts as they are in that picture. You do not need to remove the side cover (alternator cover?) to do this job.

The shims are round coins of hardened metal. The thickness is inked on the side contacting the bucket and may wear off, thus the need for the micrometer. You will have to remove the camshafts to do observe this. Regarding removing the shims without camshaft removal. Good luck if you try! Not recommended....

You may be able to use some of your shims on other bucket locations. Careful of the pre-tensioned backlash gears. That is don’t loose the pretension. OIL EVERYTHING that needs it, LIBERALLY when reinstalling. When reinstalling the camshafts, the intake camshaft is the beech. She will not want to ’drop in’ like the exhaust one will.
Place the intake camshaft into a position that looks like one tooth off and think like a concrete vibrating tool. The camshaft will settle into place with the marks aligned. (This is when the pre-tension may discharge and why the majority of dealer jobs fail to pretension the intake’s backlash gear.)

Bolts on the bearing caps. Bring to torque then re-check the clearances. Good to go? Then ensure the cross over tube is put back with the new o-ring and brass washer(s). Torque it all down. And zip her up. You should be good for a long time.

The last time I adjusted my valves was at the 12K marks. I’m now at the 30.5 mark and everything sounds good. I am going to check them soon but like I wrote above, checking the clearances is not a big deal. Reshimming is a little more involved and the biggest issue is obtaining the shims you may need.

Work the math to determine which shim(s) you need, not to determine the nearest sizes you could use that the dealer has in stock.

Some dealers will swap out the shims you need for the ones you do not need. Should the dealer need to order the shims, they should piggy-back that small order on one of their weekly orders to Nenwnan. If they want to charge you freight, laugh and comment on what a good sense of humor they have! Keep a log of the final shims you used at each of the eight bucket locations
Intake are 0.15-0.20mm valve clearance
Exhaust are 0.25-0.30mm valve clearance

Thanks Moe. Hopefully some pics will post.





Edited by beanache (01/25/05 10:00 PM)


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moe
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Re: Valve adjustment / clearance check [Re: beanache]
      #3553 - 01/27/05 10:30 AM

Did I write all that? Dang. I don't have digital pics of that area. Undeveloped photos on an instamatic camera I do have. (I'll have them developed as at least one of those pics show the intake camshaft backlash gear in a relaxed state prior to removal.)

I'll be checking the clearances before the Dahlonega trip and the Nikon will be clicking away.

The shop manual is a must (as in it being a really big help).

The bearing caps are a bear to break loose. I was told to use a manual impact driver or an air impact wrench. I got by the first time without either. The bearing caps have torx headed bolts. I forget the size, but purchase a set of these that are of very high quality. Who was it that had to helicoil one of the bearing cap threads? Was that grump?

Shims When working out the math, use the shim size that will give you the clearance you want. That is why I say use a feeler guage calibrated primarily in metric units. The other ones have too much of a mm skip to be useful.

Shims start at a thickness of 2.000mm,
increment by 0.025mm to a
max thickness of 3.200mm.

That means we have 49 choices of shims to chose from. Don't settle for one of the 25 or so sizes your dealer may have in stock.

Good luck with the work beanache. You should not have any problems.

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Greybeard
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Re: Valve adjustment / clearance check [Re: beanache]
      #3558 - 01/27/05 10:43 AM

Even if the marking is still visible, it is a god idea to measure the old shims as they can wear too.

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Poimen
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Re: Valve adjustment / clearance check [Re: Greybeard]
      #3562 - 01/27/05 11:31 AM

WOW! Thanks for the info. While I enjoy all the other stuff as well, THIS is the kind of stuff I'm looking for on this site. Thanks for all time you put into researching and documenting and for all the helpful hints and suggestions from everyone. I'm trying to learn how to wrench on my own bike and this site never ceases to amaze me. This is great!
Matt

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beanache
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Re: Valve adjustment / clearance check [Re: moe]
      #3732 - 01/28/05 01:33 PM

Thanks Moe,
I have an impact wrench. I am not familiar with torx headed bolts but I guess I will soon learn. Hell, it's an opportunity to buy new tools. I guess with the shims, you have to take them out and measure them before you can reorder? I will be doing some of the work this weekend. More pictures to go in my gallery will follow. I just hope I don't screw anything up.

By the way, I talked to Big4 cycle and they told me about $9.00 a shim. That sound right to you?

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moe
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Re: Valve adjustment / clearance check [Re: beanache]
      #3735 - 01/28/05 02:01 PM

beanache, The tork headed bolts require a torx tool. Like the one in this photo. Get the ones attached to 3/8 drive sockets because you will never get enough grunt using the handled one shown.

Here is a pic of what I mean:



Quote:

I guess with the shims, you have to take them out and measure them before you can reorder?


Yes. But remember that you may not have to take them out. If all of one camshaft's clearances check out, you won't have to pull that camshaft. Some shims may be used in other locations.
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I talked to Big4 cycle and they told me about $9.00 a shim. That sound right to you?


Yeah, $7.95. A local dealer may swap out the shims for no charge. Last time I got the swap out price: Free! Only an hour to the dealer each way though!

Pull the plugs and have your bike on a stand so you can place it in third or fourth gear and use the rear wheel to rotate the engine. The cam cover is a beech. Take off to the right. I displace the main wire harness to the left of the top tube. The relays are part of the 'shift', label these relays so you don't have to guess where they go. Ensure you have the camshafts properly oriented before you (if needed) remove one or both.

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moe
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Re: Valve adjustment / clearance check [Re: beanache]
      #3737 - 01/28/05 02:07 PM

Camshaft bearing caps to head bolts 10Nm
NOTES: Lubricate threads with engine oil. Specific tightening sequence. Note that there are three bearing caps per camshaft. Tighten the far right cap first (right side of bike), then tighten cap on the far left, then tighten the middle cap. Do this for each camshaft.

Camshaft oil feed pipe to bearing cap bolts 8Nm


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moe
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Re: Valve adjustment / clearance check [Re: beanache]
      #3739 - 01/28/05 02:31 PM

Greg (Bayern710) highly recommended these tools back in November 2004:

PB Baumann Store

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beanache
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Re: Valve adjustment / clearance check [Re: moe]
      #8032 - 02/23/05 09:39 PM

Moe,
Just wanted to say thanks again. Here is a continuation of the ongoing valve adjustment picture log.
Pictures follow:

AFTER LOBES ARE IN POSITION AND MARKS LINE UP MAKE SURE TOP IS IN TOP POSITION



PLACE THE LOCKING PINS TO HOLD THE BACKLASH GEAR



REMOVE THE OIL FEEDER TUBE AND COLLECT BANGO BOLTS, WASHERS AND O RING



UNSCREW TORX BOLTS WITH T-30 TORX WRENCH 1/2 TURN AT A TIME EVENLY UNTIL TENSION IS RELEASED



LIFT CAM CAPS OUT AND COLLECT LOCATING DOWELS



ARRANGE CAM CAPS IN ORDER THEY WERE TAKEN OUT AND IN THE SAME POSITION (FORWARD OR BACKWARDS)



LIFT OUT CAMS AND ARRANGE IN ORDER (INTAKE OR EXHAUST)



LIFT OUT SHIM BUCKETS, REMOVE SHIM, REPLACE BUCKET TO IT'S LOCATION



MEASURE SHIMS TO THE NEAREST THOUSANDTH

[image]http://www.bonnevilleamerica.com/photopost/data/500/119MEASURE_SHIM_TO_THE_THOUSANDS[/image]

ARRANGE SHIMS IN ORDER THEY CAME OUT



COVER YOUR CYLINDER HEAD WITH THE CAM COVER AND A TOWEL. PLACE ALL YOUR NUMBERS INTO MOE'S FORMULA SHEET. CALL BIG 4 CYCLE IN THE MORNING AND ORDER YOUR SHIMS. SIT AROUND WITH YOUR THUMB UP YOUR ASSS UNTIL THEY GET TO YOUR HOUSE.

THANKS AGAIN MOE

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04SpeedM
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Re: Valve adjustment / clearance check [Re: beanache]
      #8046 - 02/23/05 10:55 PM

Beanache,
Thanks for the excellent post...I won't need to do this for a while, but when I need to I'll know where to look.

Don


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