oldroadie
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Reged: 05/05/07
Posts: 5969
Loc: Alabama USA
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For me they are the perfect volume and the performance boost is a nice extra. Best my bike has ever run. Best of all they are well under the SAE j2825 noise standard...now if we can just get municipalities to adopt this standard instead using LEOs subjective enforcement the entire motorcycle community will be better off.
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A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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edmspeedmaster
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Reged: 07/11/11
Posts: 1245
Loc: Alberta, Canada
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Good question...are the pipes really illegal here in Canada/USA? I know the disclaimer under the pipes states that they aren't legal but is that for every country or just England (get my point)? If they were illegal why do so many bike shops switch the pipes when they sell the bike, remap/rejet the engine, then plate the bike for on road use????? I think the onus is on the law enforcement agency in your jurisdiction to determine if the bike is too loud using a decimeter of some sort unless someone makes a general complaint.
the pipes are not illegal but the decibel level might be, i know my bubs would not pass in Edmonton, but i am left lone as are many others if you are respectable.
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B_Edwards
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Reged: 06/28/08
Posts: 188
Loc: Maine
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Now for the "rest of the story"... (feel like Paul Harvey)
Maine is getting really screwed up with it's standards for
motorcycle inspections. Three years ago my trumpy shop put my bullet TORs on my bike and they have been happily inspected every year since. My stock pipes made my bike sound like a sewing machine. While I don't want something too loud, I want something loud enough to be heard. There are stock Harleys that sound louder then the TORs, heck, I think some Yamahas or Hondas are louder. So I drop off my 2007 Speedy to get inspected and it's 6K check up and they tell me they have to fail it because of the pipes THEY HAPPILY SOLD ME AND PUT ON. Because of the offroad sticker they now can't pass it for inspection. "Nice, why didn't you tell me that 3 years ago?" "Well, they have changed the rules"
Excuse me... I feel that there needs to be a grandfather clause here or something. Also if these F*N knuckleheads making up these rules want to ban loud pipes, maybe they should use a decibel meter and set X level as a max. If ones bike exceeds X level, too bad. If not, pass it. I agree with Gregger. Triumph bike labeling seems to reflect those standards for the bike in the UK where the brand hails from. I realize that their standards are more strict than other countries and therefore would need to label those pipes as such. To be honest I can't imagine putting the pipes that I have on my Speedy on a dirtbike
Edited by B_Edwards (07/07/12 03:28 AM)
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B02S4
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Reged: 02/28/08
Posts: 1539
Loc: USA
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Can you take the bike elswhere for state inspection purposes?
Worst case scenario is you will have to swap the pipes for state inspection purposes & when that is done reinstall the TORS.
Or move to a free state... 
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B_Edwards
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Reged: 06/28/08
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Loc: Maine
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Trust me... I'd love to move as far away from Maine and my wife as I could... but
My trumpy dealer said that they were going to start taking pictures of bikes that they inspect. That way of someone were to do the bait and switch it would cover their @$$.
I'm hoping that if I take it to a non triumph dealer, that they won't notice the sticker on the bottom of the pipes.
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MACMC
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Reged: 12/16/06
Posts: 2521
Loc: Kansas City, Mo.
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Ask around on bike night, there is always shops that check lights and vin number and BAM!, here's your paper work and sticker.
My dealer has been drilling air boxes and installing Triumph and other open pipes on Triumphs for decades. They'e never failed a bike for pipes, one guy I know has a Thruxton running no mufflers, TT pipes, they pass his. Of course we're just all hillbillys here in Missouri, moonshine is illegal too and we once joined a losing cause to protect our cotton, hemp and tobacco industries, it didn't work out. 
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sconsi
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Reged: 02/24/12
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Loc: Peoples Republic of Maryland
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I am wondering if TORs are considered to be excessively loud.
Huh!? I couldn't hear you over the sound of my fishtails. No TORs aren't that loud. They sound much better than the stock pipes, but they aren't loud enough in my opinion.
If you're running into inspection problems ask around, someone always seems to "know a guy" who can hook you up. Just drop a name and you're good to go. 
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Fishtail Exhaust, Whitewalls, ISO Grips, Light bar with Relo Turnsignals
"...To them, I'm just a screaming ball of noise."
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Greybeard
Monkey Butt
Reged: 01/11/05
Posts: 7856
Loc: Charming Clovis NM
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There are some 4 or 5 different versions of the TOR pipes. Some are louder than others, some sound very nice and some are a little tinny sounding. Technically, they are illegal in some states, not because they are terribly loud, but because they are stamped "Offroad use only".
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rgoldberg
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Reged: 09/15/10
Posts: 257
Loc: Vail, Az
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do you still have original stock OEM pipes? Can you put em back on for the inspection and then go back to your TORs when you get home? A$$ Pain, yes. Stickin it to the Man, DAMN RIGHT!
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"stupid's in the water these days, they're gonna drink it anyways, until they don't know right from wrong..."
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oldroadie
Check Pants
Reged: 05/05/07
Posts: 5969
Loc: Alabama USA
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According to this months AMA mag Maine has adopted the SAE j2825 standard. Tell the inspector to get his act together and use the dB meter like he should. 45 degree angle off axis 20" away. Wish I could quote the numbers exactly but it's something like 92dB at idle and 100 dB at 3K rpm. The TORs easily slip under this. I tested my long Specialty Spares and they barely failed the idle but passed the higher rpm test. Keeps the loudness from being subjective and that's the whole point.
As far as "stickin it to the man" that attitude just sticks it to us. Do the math: 4 million riders, 326 million pissed off citizens. I don't know bout you but those are really long odds to me.
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A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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