Stacka
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Hi all, Here's the updated Dyno Table with McSpeedie's Numbers. 
Btw, unless I buy the updated version of the PDF freebie, I can only keep 5 pdf's in my account which means the oldest pdf with the dyno numbers will continually become deleted as I add a newie.
No big deal cos the latest is the latest 
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Staintune Pipes, K&N Pods, 45 pilots, TBS needles and 145 mains.
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Stacka
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Apologies for the delay Hans but better late than never hey?
So here's the latest (again) dyno table with Hasse's 3rd Dyno Numbers 
We're really getting some good numbers going these days. I don't know about others out there but I love the way my speedie goes now so I can only imagine how well some of our esteemed rider mates must feel with their get up and go machines.
Well done guys and thanks for contributing your info, after all that's what this website's all about ie helping each other out 
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Staintune Pipes, K&N Pods, 45 pilots, TBS needles and 145 mains.
Edited by Staffo (10/01/09 08:22 PM)
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Stacka
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Hi again my esteemed SM/TBA colleagues, here is Foglefar's latest dyno printout and the a new Dyno Table with his numbers.
The Latest Dyno Table (10/11/09)
Btw, I've been asked by Foglefar to make a note in the table:
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Because EFI bikes are going to appear here more and more, can I suggest that we list the Tune ID (if known). This is the equivalent of listing jets and needles. That way we can analyse and share customised tunes.
For the record the known TBA/Speedy Tunes are
Tune ID Description
20183: Stock with stock pipes (Triumph's base tune)
20184: Stock with aftermarket pipes (Triumph's TORs tune)
20184: TuneDyno Davo's tune - aftermarket pipe, O2 disabled, pod filters
20184: TuneMod2: Foglefar's tune - aftermarket pipe, O2 disabled, AI removed, K&N filter bellmouth
So I've put comments into the Table to reflect his suggestion given as mentioned EFI's are the only new models now available and hence we will be seeing more and more of them here as time fly's by.
cheers Staffo
Edited by Staffo (11/09/09 05:05 PM)
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Stacka
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I put the latest in twice so just deleted the 2nd one. ride safe guys
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Staintune Pipes, K&N Pods, 45 pilots, TBS needles and 145 mains.
Edited by Staffo (11/09/09 05:07 PM)
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Stacka
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Hi all, it's been a while since any new dynos came in but the other day my Harley mate who I've known since I was 10 yrs old sends me an email about one of those dyno days. the first thing I think is, who is he and what training and experience has he had etc.
Anyway, it turns out it's my dyno bloke who's gone out on his own with his own workshop including a dyno booth. Well there will be a booth but this stuff takes time and money.
So I'd been wanting to get another dyno done since taking out the staintune restrictors and changing my settings
and since I trust this blokes experience and it's on the same machine, for $30 I couldn't go wrong.
Anyway, when I get a moment I'll redo the table and photobucket the printouts but I'm pretty happy cos my numbers are good ie Torque = 53.95 ft-lbs & Pwr = 59.83 hp.
I'm happy but mainly cos all my setting changes are nearly right now. The air fuel seems to be a bit up and down though but that just gives me some more excuses to do some more tweaking.
Just one question cos I can't remember but with the air fuel ratio baseline ie 13, is below it rich or lean? From memory (what's left that is lol), below 13 is lean isn't it?
I'll put the printouts up here in the next couple of days plus the video for fun.
staffo
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RamSound
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Going up from the AF line would be leaning out. Below the line is running too rich. Mine was up initially at the start of the graph. After changing back to the 45 pilot, it went back down to the line. Mine still rises slowly from 5500 up, but changing that would mess up the range we worked so hard to get the best.
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Bob
2005 America, 904cc BB, SS long slash cuts, UNI with NH bellmouth, jet kit with needles in top position, drilled slides, 128/45 jets, 1.5 turns out, 18/42 sprockets.
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Stacka
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Here's my dyno Printouts from yesterday.
Now before I ask a question or two, have a look at this video which might help explain a thing or two.
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My first curiosity is obvious and that's the air fuel ratio. As with my previous one's I've never been able to get a nice smooth line. One thing I noticed which I will quiz him about, is how can the dyno give an accurate air fuel ratio reading if you only poke the sensor up one pipe.
I mean, I adjust my air fuel thumb screws individually and not the exact same amount of rotations for both. I see each carb as having slightly different variations and personally I can get better responses by adjusting them a bit this way or that until I get a the best instant response when blipping / opening the throttle.
I have found whilst it takes a bit longer, I get better results this way but only having the sensor up one spout so to speak seems to me would not give a completely accurate readout.
Please do tell if you disagree cos I'm all ears on this one. He did do the same btw for all the other bikes of which on last count was approx 40 or more for the day. He did have a good team together to get each bike on and off quickly but time was important and maybe if I was the full feeing customer as in the past, he may have had two sensors, I don't know. I'll find out.
The other thing which is pretty obvious is that how the a/f ratio riched right out when he (the operator) opened the throttle fully and then you'll notice it actually went the other way and became slightly lean. Interesting.
Anyway, overall I'm pretty happy with the results considering HP sounds good but torque's my main priority. So given I've got almost identical torque and more HP for that matter with the staintunes compared to the Specialty Spares Pipes, yet they aren't as loud, my decision to pay the extra bucks to swap over makes me feel good. Don't get me wrong, the SS pipes were blo#dy beauties but I'm getting a bit too long in the tooth to put up with the extra noise factor.
Anyway, the only settings I have been unsure of is whether I should move up from 42 to 45 pilots. I just think the a/f figure should have been determined by having two sensors and not one.
So any comments are welcome both good and bad, even if you don't know what you're talking about LOL. I don't, ha ha
Btw, I'll post the amended Dyno Results Table tomorrow.
ride safe brothers
staffo
Edited by Staffo (02/21/10 08:28 PM)
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foglefar
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I wonder about the value of comparing runs so far apart - there's significant temperature and humidity differences between runs.
But regardless of the air conditions the biggest improvement has to be the torque curve - more grunt in the normal operating revs.  And you were quite lean in those revs previously.
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Cheers, Richard
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09 America, Staintune Pipes, K&N, Breathe, Hagon Nitros, AI & O2 removed, tune 20184 (modified), MTX-L a/f gauge
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Stacka
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Your right Richard, I was running lean. In fact when I saw how whitish my plugs were and the considerable extra k's I was getting out of a tank, I new I had to change the jets up before the ride north. Then taking the restrictors out meant going up again. Yes, we can look at variations in pressure and what not but if we can't rely on the info from the latest model dyno you've used three times by the same operator who was trained in the U.S., then what other quantitative data can we use. No, it's not perfective but then what is. It is the closest techs have come up with though.
Of course there's was always my bum dyno to rely on too. To be honest when you have a dozen blokes all wearing ear plugs (no booth) watching on, I felt like I was representing not only my but Triumphs credibility.
Sounds silly I know but I've been amongst this phenomenum my whole working life ( Army and Fire Brigade) too many times now not to realise how blokes (mainly the youngsters but not always) change and get all competitive out there. I just put it into perspective by saying I was after info. No more, no less. Turns out my bike did me proud anyway but you may have noticed a slight tremble of my Iphone camera giving away some nervous symptoms. Lol
Hey, there was more than one EFI bike blowin fuel enriched dark smoke amongst Various popping and farting.
So for a carby bike I was pretty happy, particularly as my team was from bikers from all parts of the globe from this place giving me help.
I guess I'm now feeling confdent I've reached a good spot for now knowing all I need to confirm is whether the 42 pilots are the reason for the little bit of popping on deceleration.
No biggie.
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Stacka
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The latest Dyno Table with Staffo's New Numbers
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Staintune Pipes, K&N Pods, 45 pilots, TBS needles and 145 mains.
Edited by Staffo (02/28/10 03:49 PM)
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