The_Dog33
Fe Butt
Reged: 02/01/07
Posts: 17042
Loc: NE PA USA
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Agreed, isn't that what they do? When I got mine I did it backwards, I got my bike license first then car license a couple years later and all I did was have to drive the course.
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locopony
Loquacious
Reged: 09/01/10
Posts: 4351
Loc: Texas, Houston
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No, here its a big ordeal. its like they are trying to discurage you from riding. you gotta take a two day coarse costing $200.oo. So a lot of riders down here aren't riding with an indorsement
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Dwight
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Reged: 02/03/05
Posts: 17909
Loc: Sedona, Arizona
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No, here its a big ordeal. its like they are trying to discurage you from riding. you gotta take a two day coarse costing $200.oo. So a lot of riders down here aren't riding with an indorsement
Bad move, unless they've been riding for years and have seen it all...like me. And, maybe even if I had taken some kind of riding course back when I was 15 1/2(in 1967) and first received my California "Learner's Permit"(the test basically consisted of little more than showing some guy at the DMV that I could ride my little Honda in a figure-8 pattern without putting my foot down, and which allowed me to ride a motorcycle solo after I received the permit) then maybe I wouldn't have had my first accident at 16 on that little Honda.
I mean, if your wife or teenage kid wanted to start riding, wouldn't YOU advise them to take a course run by expertly trained and experienced riders with a knowledge of how to train others???
(...just makes sense to me, anyway!!!)
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hill8586
Oil Expert
Reged: 01/26/05
Posts: 2159
Loc: Muldrow,OK/Ft. Smith,AR
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 not a big AMA fan,,,,, longtime member of ABATE and MRF though...... got my moto license at fourteen in Oklahoma.... after the written the examiner ask me " know how to ride that thing son ? " told him I'd ridden it there,,,, the reply was "ok" and he gave me my license.... it was just a typed card, no pic... no driving test...
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locopony
Loquacious
Reged: 09/01/10
Posts: 4351
Loc: Texas, Houston
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No, here its a big ordeal. its like they are trying to discurage you from riding. you gotta take a two day coarse costing $200.oo. So a lot of riders down here aren't riding with an indorsement
Bad move, unless they've been riding for years and have seen it all...like me. And, maybe even if I had taken some kind of riding course back when I was 15 1/2(in 1967) and first received my California "Learner's Permit"(the test basically consisted of little more than showing some guy at the DMV that I could ride my little Honda in a figure-8 pattern without putting my foot down, and which allowed me to ride a motorcycle solo after I received the permit) then maybe I wouldn't have had my first accident at 16 on that little Honda.
I mean, if your wife or teenage kid wanted to start riding, wouldn't YOU advise them to take a course run by expertly trained and experienced riders with a knowledge of how to train others???
(...just makes sense to me, anyway!!!)
I am just stating facts. The rule is the problem though. most people would go sit in a class for a few hours and watch a movie or bring there bike up and ride an obstacle coarse or something and pay $50-$60 bucks. When you ask for 2 days and $200.oo most people just skip it. Its just a fact. I run into more people here in Texas without an endorsment than I did in other states with less draconian rules. Arkansas you go one day and take a written test about safety to make sure you understand what you are getting into. Then on another day you ride up to the DPS and the officer inspects the bike and gives you your endorsement. I never met a rider there who doesn't have their endorsment.
I taught my son to ride but when my wife gets ready she will take the coarse because I can't teach her.(personality)
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locopony
Loquacious
Reged: 09/01/10
Posts: 4351
Loc: Texas, Houston
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I been riding sence I was 9. yes even on the street.
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moe
Bearing Changer
Reged: 01/11/05
Posts: 9874
Loc: Merritt Island, Fl
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Dwight,
Given that one can stay upright on two wheels, the basic rider's course (the one required now in FL) is more a determinate of one's common sense then riding ability. Nothing of import is taught beyond the basics of counter-steering, ride pre-inspection, safety gear and yes DUI/Traffic laws. Common sense stuff. Try all they may, until one has the ability to transparently operate the controls of a motosickle while in heavy traffic, motorsickle courses will remain an IQ test.
Thus the course is a money grab. Used to be the endorsement was granted for $5.00: No skills testing or separate written test. Then they started to require that a skills test be administered along with a separate written exam, both at the local driver's license office. The Courses were (beyond altruistic dreams) seemingly intended to lighten the load at the license offices. Well the foot was on the threshold and now the poor old sods will have to fork over upwards of 200 big ones for a heretofore free exam.
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paulypfr
Adjunct
Reged: 02/24/10
Posts: 245
Loc: Texas
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my Texas mc endorsement...after riding without one for some 20 plus yrs....all i did was go and take the written(pc) test...passed..recieved my temp learners permit...went back and took my rideing test(ran around the block)...passed and recieved my endorsement... i did NOT have to take/pay for any riders saftey course...although the clerk at the dot thought i had too,,,until i demanded to talk to a supervisor...and that supervisor aknowledged that you do not have to take a $200 rideing saftey course as long as you did what i did in getting the learners/temp permit first. just an FYI
Edited by paulypfr (04/12/11 11:03 AM)
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ssjones
Check Pants
Reged: 01/11/05
Posts: 5534
Loc: Hagerstown, MD
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In Maryland, if you are under a certain age, you must take the course. Quote:
my Texas mc endorsement...after riding without one for some 20 plus yrs....all i did was go and take the written(pc) test...passed..recieved my temp learners permit...went back and took my rideing test(ran around the block)...passed and recieved my endorsement... i did NOT have to take/pay for any riders saftey course...although the clerk at the dot thought i had too,,,until i demanded to talk to a supervisor...and that supervisor aknowledged that you do not have to take a $200 rideing saftey course as long as you did what i did in getting the learners/temp permit first. just an FYI
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Captain_Midnight
Adjunct
Reged: 02/07/09
Posts: 234
Loc: Seattle, WA
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I'm a member of AMA and ABATE. I go back and forth on my feelings about the AMA (yeah, yeah American Mother's Association). They do some good, but it's mostly tailored to off road. The main reason I keep my AMA membership is for the roadside assistance.
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