locopony
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Holy undead nightmares, this thread was dead and buried but has been resurrected.
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ladisney
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A very old man pulled out in front of me yesterday. No cell phone involved. I understand that cell phone usage causes a lot of wrecks (I dont like to call them accidents). I don't think they they should be banned though. I think the penalty should be higher. Like maybe a $30,000.00 fine for being at fault while using a cell.
Another way to look at is that if you are at fault in a collision and were talking on a cell phone or texting you should get at least the same sentence as if you were driving drunk. Both situations involve voluntarily diminished capacity, why should they be treated differently?
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locopony
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I agree.
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philwarner
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Fairly old study that I don't recall seeing before. Some findings are intuitive and some not so much so, in fact a bit surprising. Caution, requires a bit of reading for just the summary on this web page.
http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~john/vfr/hurt.html
Just heard a blip on TV this week that a study showed little difference in fatalities in MC crashes above 13 MPH between helmeted and non-helmeted riders and that in some cases neck injuries were increased in helmeted riders. I may have not heard it right, but I think that was the jist. I don't think it will stop me from wearing a helmet, but sitting at a yard sale (the wife dragged me into it) on 62 between Gateway and Eureka Springs last week convinced me that 80 to 90 percent of the Harley riders believed it.
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Dwight
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I don't know if that's actually true or not Phil, but that reminds me of the off-duty cop who was killed last year in Phoenix while riding his Harley Electra Glide without a helmet.
They showed the accident scene on the news, and I swear the Harley looked like it had just rolled off its kickstand. There was very little damage to the bike that I could see, anyway. And so, while I don't know how fast the guy was going at the time, it sure couldn't have been all THAT fast.
And here's a little side note to this story:
The guy lingered in a coma for about a week before he died, and a few days afterward, his family appeared on the news and was begging people to wear their helmets while riding their motorcycles, saying that if he HAD been wearing one, and because of severe head trauma being the cause of his death, there was no doubt in any of their minds he would've survived the crash.
(...food for thought there, huh...and I'm glad to hear you're still wearin' your helmet...I'm absolutely sure that wearing one during an accident I had about 17 years ago now, did, at the very MINIMUM, save Yours Truly from a bout with serious head trauma too, if NOT worse...and I still have that helmet in my collection to prove it...oh, and btw, I was goin' about 35 to 40mph when that freakin' kid pulled in front of me)
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Dwight
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Addition addendum to above...
I don't know why I waste my keystrokes typin' stuff like that up above there, 'cause OF COURSE, no matter WHAT people tell those out there who decide to ride without a helmet or how much logic you throw their way, they will rationalize their choice(and YEAH, I DO believe it should be a freakin' CHOICE) usin' the most ASININE reasons you or I will EVER hear or READ!!!
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Jayhawk
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... a study showed ...that in some cases neck injuries were increased in helmeted riders.
I've always believed this. Of course I've always felt that it was a matter of the coroner saying, "hmm, died of a broken neck", versus, "hmm - since that bucket they brought in with him contains what brains they scraped off the road, I'd say that's what killed him."
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Dwight
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Well Mark, like I said RIGHT above there.......
(...yeah, you're right...I "make more friends" being this way....NOT!!!!)
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philwarner
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I don't know if that's actually true or not Phil, but that reminds me of the off-duty cop who was killed last year in Phoenix while riding his Harley Electra Glide without a helmet
Yes, we also had a local police chief who just recently hit a left turner while in Florida at a rolling thunder meet who died of head injuries in a Florida hospital. Same story - no helmet and a Harley that didn't look that bad. We also had Arkansas Coach Petrino who didn't die when he drove his Harley into a ditch, but his career sure died a quick death. Don't know if a helmet would have saved the career, but he said he didn't wear a helmet because it made him look like a cone head and he wound up looking like a bonehead instead.
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philwarner
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Interesting report from 2009 here : www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811208.pdf
Don't know if this was the source of the TV blip I saw, but one frightening chart is the sharp rise in MC deaths in the 40 and over age group from 98 to 07. More boomers buying Harleys and doo rags? Sure hope it isn't the rise of our Americas and Speedies.
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