outerbanks
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I think the only fair test would be a 10K bike against a 10K bike. 
Power to dollar ratio!!! 
Well I'd love to compare a $10k 1200cc Triumph Bonneville America against the Harley Sportster 1200...if Triumph would just build that bike!
I doubt they ever will. I'm sure it has been discussed at Triumph but they might figure a 1200cc America with it's weight, price and performance advantage and comparable overall size and riding position would damage Thunderbird sales.
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Dwight
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Well heck Ian, I'm surprised he didn't ALSO give that often heard excuse that THAT just gives his Harley "character"!!!  
Each bike does have it's own "character" even from the same manufacturer. A 1200 Sportster is different from an Ultra Classic, A V-Rod or a balance shaft Softail. Same as the "character" of a Bonneville vs a Speed Triple or a Rocket.
Well, yes and no, OB. The only difference is that all of your aforementioned Triumph models' engines don't shake in their frames at idling speed and are sooooooo freakin' smoooooooooth throughout their rev-range.
Hence, once again, my often stated point in this thread about "H-D should have placed a balance shaft inside those beautiful Sportster motors by this time", and especially since they WERE takin' in money hand-over-fist from about the mid-80s until very recently and just before the economy soured.
(...but don't get me wrong here, OB...if some kind person wanted to give me an XR1200, I would GLADLY accept that baby...and I wouldn't care one bit if it shook at idle or NOT!)
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HeneryHawk
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A V-Rod is more Porsche than Harley, Porsche designed it.
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outerbanks
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A V-Rod is more Porsche than Harley, Porsche designed it.
The V-rod was designed jointly with Porsche not by Porsche alone. All V-Rods are built at the same plant as our Sportster and Dyna models in Kansas City, Missouri, USA.
By your logic the Triumph America is not British since they are built entirely in Thailand.
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The_Dog33
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A V-Rod is more Porsche than Harley, Porsche designed it.
The V-rod was designed jointly with Porsche not by Porsche alone. All V-Rods are built at the same plant as our Sportster and Dyna models in Kansas City, Missouri, USA.
By your logic the Triumph America is not British since they are built entirely in Thailand.
Not true, they are only assembled there. Mine was made entirely in England. If they had moved to that Thailand assembly plant before I bought mine I wouldn't have bought it. HD imports a lot of the parts to assemble their bikes too these days.As I am sure Triumph did when my bike was made, such as the carbs.
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Dwight
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Sooooo, let me see if I've got this straight here then, Ian...
It wouldn't have mattered one bit that these newers Triumphs look fantastic, run smooth as silk, AND handle better than any cruiser-style bike has a right to...you wouldn't have purchased the two you have IF they were built in Thailand, right?!
(...well, I suppose we all have our different priorities in life, huh!) 
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Dwight
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Btw guys, from what I've read in the past about the V-Rod, OB is somewhat correct about the V-Rod. The V-Rod's basic engine design was orginially designed in-house by H-D to power their VR1000 race bike in the mid-90s, and was a testbed for the eventual V-Rod engine. However, because H-D soon discovered the VR1000 wasn't producing as much power as originally hoped, and was also found not to be as competitive in the AMA Superbike series as H-D had at first hoped it would be, they soon turned to Porsche in hopes that that German firm could help wring out more performance from it, but to little avail.
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HeneryHawk
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I have a Speedmaster, it was Made In England.
Aren't all the bikes from the KC plant assembled there(not made), as most all the parts come from Indonesia, Thailand, and China(since they just closed a Australian plant to move that to China).
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The_Dog33
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Sooooo, let me see if I've got this straight here then, Ian...
It wouldn't have mattered one bit that these newers Triumphs look fantastic, run smooth as silk, AND handle better than any cruiser-style bike has a right to...you wouldn't have purchased the two you have IF they were built in Thailand, right?!
(...well, I suppose we all have our different priorities in life, huh!)
If they were built there(Thailand) I would have just rebuilt my chopper from the ground up again.
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Dwight
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Sooooo, let me see if I've got this straight here then, Ian...
It wouldn't have mattered one bit that these newers Triumphs look fantastic, run smooth as silk, AND handle better than any cruiser-style bike has a right to...you wouldn't have purchased the two you have IF they were built in Thailand, right?!
(...well, I suppose we all have our different priorities in life, huh!)
If they were built there(Thailand) I would have just rebuilt my chopper from the ground up again.
Okay, I suppose that that would've covered ONE out o' those THREE things I mentioned these modern Triumphs have in abundance then.
(...in case you're wonderin' that "one thing" would've been in the looks department, 'cause that old rebuilt Triumph Chopper of yours suuuuure as heck wouldn't be quite as smooth runnin' OR handle as nearly as well as these newer Triumphs do, ya know...of course then again, I suppose anyone who'd extend out the front of an old Triumph doesn't really care all that much about that there "handling" thing anyway, huh!)
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