Zmilin
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Im giddy inside...
I called up Carlos at TPUSA this morning and made the first move towards real performance gains. Ive done an ungodly amount of research on everything from air filters to full engine builds and have been having conversations with Carlos for three years (two in person). The reason I call out Carlos specifically is because he has been patient the whole time (on one trip he and I were at the back of the shop for about an hour talking performance options and looking at some bad ass bikes like the TPUSA turbo salt bike). At no point did he ever get frustrated or shoo me off the phone. Has always answered emails in a timely manner and bottom line has earned my business. Never pushy but always honest. He actually likes talking to the customer a couple times before the purchase is made.
So... There are so many different ways to approach a build and I have chosen the path that makes sense to me. So... Ill explain my goals, my chosen path and Ill be coming back to this thread with updates as things happen. No, this will not be a step by step build and it will not all happen at one time. Hopefully it'll be a place where I can provide you some feedback on what I feel happening and at some point some Dyno #s.
My goal was never to have the fastest bike in Seattle or Wa or the West Coast etc... I don't need to have a cruising speed of 110 (god knows I ride fast enough as it is).
What I do need/want is to be able to move my 300+# frame and my bike in a manner so that I don't need to keep my throttle pegged or downshift when heading over a mountain pass AND certainly not to lose speed on said pass. I really want to be able to come out of a turn confidently if I forgot to downshift. Yeah, I could lose a few pounds and Im working on that but Ill never be a small guy so this is a moot point. I want better throttle response (Kawi springs are ok but it can be better) and the torque to be able to come out of a situation if needed. Ive learned that for as much as I love my bike it has some limitations but the upgrade to a R3T is not an option right now and I really don't like the T bird (yes, Ive ridden one and Im one of the few that is really not impressed with it).
I considered a 1087 but I don't want to get that deep into the motor nor can I afford a build like that right now.
I considered a 988 stroker kit but I still have to crack the cases (no machining of cases) for the crank.
Why would I do either of those and not do cams, carbs, igniter and headwork at the same time. Its just not worth it and won't perform right without the whole shebang. Do a motor like that without having the ability to stop in an efficient manner and its a recipe for disaster. Hence yet another additional cost in either a dual disc upgrade, Brembo or whatever... you get the idea.
This leads to down to the tried and true 904. I know I will end up with a 904 with head work in the end but like I said before... Im not prepared to tear that much of the bike down right now. You see... if Im taking the head off to swap the jugs I might as well do the headwork since Im in there already. If the head and jugs are off Im also sending them out for diamond cutting (I hate you Dean!!!!!). If I did all that now Im looking at a few grand and I still don't have carbs, cams or igniter done. I figure a 904 done the way I want (I said "the way I want" not the way you did it or want to do it) will be about $5-6K.
What did I do then if I didn't do the 904? I have ordered the carbs (39 FCR), 813 cams and stage 3 Igniter (reprogramed by Triumph Twin Power). All of those are bolt ons with minor invasive action on the top end. Ill get a decent HP/Tq bump with proven products that don't require heavy tweaking. TPUSA has done enough set ups like this that they know how to set the carbs so its really a swap. Another reason for my options are that (to me) it makes sense to have the air and fuel deliver available before I exceed those capabilities. The motor can take more air (most of us have some sort of intake mod) and expel said air through a more open exhaust system (which I have). We have fuel but its proven that more fuel even in our OEM (Im referring to the 865) motors is beneficial. An added bonus to the carbs now is throttle response. Yes there is a cheaper carb option but there have not been good things said of the larger CR carbs but those FCRs get rave reviews even on their own. The igniter will raise my redline and advance my timing which will benefit the cams and will be good for a couple HP and Tq points. Cams are cams and will open those valves longer to get that extra air/fuel in there to burn up.
I did learn that those pesky billet intakes that we keep debating about can be used if the air box is out. They are not usable if the air box is in. This made me happy cause I was thinking those OEM intake manifolds would be a choke point.
It has been estimated that my current mods will allow for upwards of a 10hp increase and possibly the same for Tq. This is where the dyno will come into play. Ill need to do a baseline run but don't know if the shop will be able to get me in on such short notice so this may need to be a seat of pants sort of thing.
Wish me luck!
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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My gawd, you sure can out 'tech-talk' me. What was that again? Anyway, I know you've wanted to dig into that motor for a while now. Good to hear you're going at 'er and, as per request... GOOD LUCK!
PS... Can you post a video of you being giddy? I'd love to see that! 
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B02S4
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Good luck & have fun.
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roadworthy
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Z, I'm gonna give you the honest truth. It doesn't matter what you do now, because after you ride it for a while and get used to the new power, you'll be thinking, "what can I do to get a couple more ponies out of this?" 
just a heads up 
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DunnSpeed
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Ha. Dave is so right. It's inevitable, unavoidable, and insatiable.
But, do enjoy your endeavor and I look forward to your updates. 
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Zmilin
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PS... Can you post a video of you being giddy? I'd love to see that!
Um, no 
I don't think it was too techy, was it?
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Z, I'm gonna give you the honest truth. It doesn't matter what you do now, because after you ride it for a while and get used to the new power, you'll be thinking, "what can I do to get a couple more ponies out of this?"
just a heads up
PFFFFT! Thats like saying that chrome is addictive 
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Conwy
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Dammit, link won't work.
Mods, please delete.
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KaiserSoze
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Have fun, looking forward to seeing your progress.
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I'm happy with my CR carbs  looking forward to "first chapter" after this long-ish "introduction" 
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Captain_Midnight
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Right on Z, can't wait to see how it turns out.
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JasonSonOfEd
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I'm just to lazy much easier just to buy a bigger bike! BUT would love to see the mods you end up doing!
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Sounds great. 
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Two_Wheel_n
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Are you going to add one at a time, say carb and take it out for a test ride, then add cam etc... or are you just going to install the whole shbang and go riding? Just wondering.
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Zmilin
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Are you going to add one at a time, say carb and take it out for a test ride, then add cam etc... or are you just going to install the whole shbang and go riding? Just wondering.
Id like to say Ill do cams first, then add the igniter then add carbs BUT that will all depend on the availability and wait for the dyno. My only reason for doing that is purely out of my own curiosity.
B02S4 did the cams, igniter with OEM carbs. As a matter of fact he's got a few very detailed threads with some awesome carb tuning info.
Id be doing the same except going straight to the 39FCRs and not messing with the OEM carbs.
I believe his result was +/- 10hp and a slight jump in Tq but maybe Im mixing his results with anothers. Ive been overloading on info lately.
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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Gregger
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Yep Z....I think everybody will be watching with some interest in how things progress. Would be great to actually see the difference in performance adding things incrementally if possible.
Good luck and have fun.
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roadworthy
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Z, did you already do a baseline dyno run?
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Zmilin
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I did one a couple years ago but the printer was broken so I don't have a hard copy and I don't remember the numbers. I do know that I was happy to be at the average for a 865 with pipes and freak.
Im gonna try and squeeze in this week if I can. If not then its outta my hands.
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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FriarJohn
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Of course you'll be shooting lots of video, right?
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Zmilin
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Of course you'll be shooting lots of video, right?
Ill snap a few pics but Im not making a how to video. Thats a bit time intensive and I know when the stuff gets here Ill be like that kid in the video that got a PS3 for xmas... just stooped excited and raring to go.
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FriarJohn
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Well, not exactly a how-to video. I don't think anyone expects that much effort.
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Grzegorz
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Well, not exactly a how-to video. I don't think anyone expects that much effort.
I do
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B02S4
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...Id like to say Ill do cams first, then add the igniter then add carbs...
Z, I suggest that you at least do the cams & igniter together, as with those 813 cams you'll be smacking the OEM limiter with ease. FWIW, I suggest going with a 8500 RPM redline.
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andy_m
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Have fun Z! Don't forget that a bike is always only a couple hundred bucks, or a couple horses from being perfect! Enjoy..
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Zmilin
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...Id like to say Ill do cams first, then add the igniter then add carbs...
Z, I suggest that you at least do the cams & igniter together, as with those 813 cams you'll be smacking the OEM limiter with ease. FWIW, I suggest going with a 8500 RPM redline.
Ken,
I meant for the dyno runs. Ive ordered the cams, igniter and carbs as of my writing this post. But since I have another 07 America in the garage Im going to pull the igniter from that one and have dyno runs done as follows:
Dyno run 1 with cams, oem igniter and oem carbs.
Dyno run 2 add stage 3 igniter.
Dyno run 3 add FCR carbs.
Depending on how that last run with the carbs goes it will make me decide on the next step. It'll be one of the following:
* Ride it as is for the season because Carlos set up the carbs just right.
* Add an Innovative LM2 and tune through the season. I got a set of headers over a year ago in preparation for this step.
If its set up right that will allow me to work on saving up for that 904 and headwork.
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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Zmilin
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Have fun Z! Don't forget that a bike is always only a couple hundred bucks, or a couple horses from being perfect! Enjoy..
I know... believe me, I know.
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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B02S4
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...I meant for the dyno runs...
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Dwight
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Z, a couple years ago I took a spin on a standard Bonnie that Matt had done exactly what you're gonna do with your BA(just the hotter cams, the CR carbs and the igniter) and I gotta say I came away impressed with the power delivery and the extra power it afforded by just those mods alone. I think you'll be impressed too.
(...and yeah, you're right about Carlos...a great guy who's always friendly, is knowledgeable and loves talkin' bikes!)
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OH, btw...have you been to the new location yet? It's quite a step up in all regards from that little place Matt used to have just down the road on PCH there.
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Zmilin
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OH, btw...have you been to the new location yet? It's quite a step up in all regards from that little place Matt used to have just down the road on PCH there.
Brent and I stopped by in the way home from SWTF! Huge improvement over the old shop! It was also the first time I saw/heard of the Magnum 1087 
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Zmilin
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just the hotter cams
Now that you mention this I remember a 515 (?) cam and 813. The 515 doesn't exist anymore so I think they have gone to the 813s but in different variations (one for OEM motors and one for big bore) then theres the SUB (shim under bucket) which is pretty much what you do when your going balls out (probably used in that Magnum motor).
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Zmilin
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SWEET! I got a dyno run scheduled for tomorrow so I can get a baseline run on my bike. 
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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Two_Wheel_n
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Don't lose the dyno sheet!
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Grzegorz
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SWEET! I got a dyno run scheduled for tomorrow so I can get a baseline run on my bike.
I regret a bit that I never done a dyno run before all the mods to the bike
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/25172906@N06/ 904 Wiseco,813 TPUSA cams,TTP ignitor,gutted airbox,"breath" air intake,Keihin CR-S carbs,Black Epco exhaust,SS wheels
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Zmilin
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Here they are. Two printouts, one with a/f the other shows HP/Tq for the two best of three runs.
I could have sworn that when I did a free dyno run a couple years ago my HP was closer to 55hp. I don't think I had the Thruxton needles back then and I doubt needles cost me 5hp. Anyway, not a big concern as there are more better things coming soon
Bike specifics: 07 America, 865cc, K&N pods (with rain socks), 150/45 jetting, Thruxton needles and Specialty Spares long cannons.
peak HP: 50.74
peak Tq: 49.27
Theres a nice little lean spike at 2500rpm then another minor one at about 4200rpm. Otherwise it looks like Ive been pretty rich. I expected this and since Im upgrading to the FCRs Im not going to mess with it.
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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The important thing is to do all your dyno runs on the same machine, ideally in similar weather conditions. You have a solid foundation to start with, higher numbers than my first run.
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Zmilin
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Im not worried about the numbers. The bike has been running like a beast and Ive been very happy with it... but now theres going to be more.
Only problem now is waiting... jeez. I just got to all boxed up and ready to go out tomorrow and Im already anxious. 
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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B02S4
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Don't worry about the roll-on lean spike at 2500; ignore that.
You might want to ask the dyno operator why he ran the numbers with a smoothing factor of 4 instead of the usual & customary 5.
Also, your bike actually made more power than the numbers show, as your runs have a negative correction factor (.95).
You're gonna love your new bike
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Zmilin
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Don't worry about the roll-on lean spike at 2500; ignore that.
You might want to ask the dyno operator why he ran the numbers with a smoothing factor of 4 instead of the usual & customary 5.
Also, your bike actually made more power than the numbers show, as your runs have a negative correction factor (.95).
You're gonna love your new bike
I have no idea what you just said... 
What is a smoothing factor and whats is the diff between a 4 and 5?
What does negative correction factor mean and how does it affect the run?
I need knowledge 
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B02S4
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...What is a smoothing factor and whats is the diff between a 4 and 5?
What does negative correction factor mean and how does it affect the run?...
OK, fair enough.
Smoothing has to do with the amplitude of peaks & valleys of the power line on the graph; the lower the smoothing number, the more jagged the run, & the lower the smoothing, all other things equal, the run is likely to show a slightly higher peak power output. The smoothing numbers run from 1 to 5. Most reputable tuners that I know run it at 5.
The correction factor (CF) takes the raw power numbers and corrects the power output achieved on that dyno on that day for reference point temperature, altitude, and pressure data; all other things equal, there is more power potential at sea level; there is more power potential in colder weather; there is more power potential at higher pressure.
Here's an article that explains some of this in a straightforward manner:
Hemrick Dyno Article
Here's another good article that helps explain some of the issues with comparing dyno numbers & how to interpret data:
Dr Dyno Article
The above articles focus on Harleys, however the dyno principles are still the same.
Your run was SAE, which is good. The CF for your run was 0.95.
If the CF of a run is < 1, then the bike made more power than the referenced correction; however, if the CF of the run is > 1, then the bike made less power than the referenced correction.
Stated differently, on that dyno, with that operator, on that day, on run # 2, your bike's actual RWHP output was 53.41 HP (50.74 / .95 = 53.41)
Don't even get me started on the differences among SAE/DIN/STD CF's...
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Don't worry about the roll-on lean spike at 2500; ignore that.
You might want to ask the dyno operator why he ran the numbers with a smoothing factor of 4 instead of the usual & customary 5.
Also, your bike actually made more power than the numbers show, as your runs have a negative correction factor (.95).
You're gonna love your new bike
this is my run with 904,CR carbs,stock airbox with rubber polaris bell mouth(wich gave me 0.71 hp and 3.21 ft/lbs more )and epco exhaust....curious how much those performance cams can add to this?
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/25172906@N06/ 904 Wiseco,813 TPUSA cams,TTP ignitor,gutted airbox,"breath" air intake,Keihin CR-S carbs,Black Epco exhaust,SS wheels
Edited by Grzegorz (02/12/12 02:06 AM)
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B02S4
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...curious how much those performance cams can add to this?
Presuming your bike has 790 cams to start with, if you go to TPUSA 813 cams then maybe another 1 - 2 HP SAE...
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Grzegorz
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Carlos says "The 813 cams will add 5-6 HP , 2-3 TQ to the wheel"
is it worth?
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B02S4
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...is it worth?
Only you can answer that.
Regarding the power increase over 790 cams, I think that a 5-6 HP SAE increase is optimistic, however Carlos is certainly more credible than I am.
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Zmilin
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I heard today that as soon as my igniter gets back from TriumphTwinPower that my stuff will ship.
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Zmilin
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still waiting... patiently... waiting... waiting... waiting... OMG... HURRY UP!
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"Assuming" you get her all put back together by then, we'll have to do a comparison with Woody (904, yada, yada, 70+ HP) on the SWTF jaunt.
That is also "assuming" you, I, we make the trip.
Good luck on your build-up.
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Zmilin
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Your 904 will still kick my butt. The only reason Id get ahead of you is cause I tend to be heavy on the throttle anyway (riding with the Montana boys in Canada will do that to you).
When I get the 994 and headwork thats another story then.
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carbs, came and igniter will ship on Friday
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Allright! now I'm lookim forward to Nelson.
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gilligan
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I had my local dealer install the TPUSA cams and ignitor on my 2007 BA last spring. I went from 50 HP with pipes and airbox mods to 60 HP with the cam and igniter installed.
The dyno graph looks basically the same up until about 5,000 - 5,500 rpm, where the stock cam flatten out and the TPUSA cam keeps going all the way to 60 HP. The higher rev limit is important since you are only making the extra power above 5,000 rpm, so the more room you have on the tach to enjoy those extra hosrese is important. Definitely a big improvement over stock.
A couple months later, my ignitor started crapping out and I replace it with a Pro-comm on map 6. So far it still feels pretty strong, but perhaps the re-programed ignitor was slightly better. To bad they use reprogrammed stock units which are affected by engine heat on our machines.
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Zmilin
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Got the goods... too bad there was extra stuff in there and they may not be all MY goods. :bang head:
Igniter is mine... Its the same one that came off my bike.
Cams are probably mine as my name is printed on the side of the box.
Carbs could be mine but I need to make sure they are jetted right before I bolt em up.
The pistons, rings, gaskets and clutch springs are definitely not mine. 
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Zmilin
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I did... they are not my pistons 
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Zmilin
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GOOD NEWS!!!
The pistons were for the 865 HC (high compression) kit TPUSA makes.
They made it in the box by mistake at the last minute so all is good.
I got the carbs on... a bit of a pain in the arse but once I got it figured out its not that big a deal.
I got the cams in and am half way through the valve shim measurements. Time for dinner now and a rest. Ill get the rest in tomorrow and will be able to get some shims AND if its not raining maybe fire her up and take the maiden voyage.
Heres a pic of what showed up today
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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Zmilin
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Well... things may have gone wrong this evening. I don't want to admit it but its a very high possibility that I may have bent a couple valves.
When I removed the cams I aligned the marks so I could pop them back in the same way. At least that was the plan.
The bike hadn't moved in weeks except for side to side while it was on the jack.
I got my cams ready to go and noticed the "TOP" on drive gear was not on top so I spun the rear wheel to get it on top. Marks aligned, cams went in and I started checking valve clearances. Well... I got to a point where I couldn't spin it by the rear wheel anymore so I let the bike off the jack, put it in gear and rocked it a few times. Each time hearing the tap of what I now think was the piston on the valve. Back it up, put it in gear and push it again. I was thinking it was just being stubborn until that sinking feeling came over me and I had realized what I had done.
After a raging river if expletives flowed out of my mouth and I took a break, I went back down, spun it 180 degrees, reinstalled cams, got free movement all the way and measured.
Wouldn't you know it... the last set of valves I measured were waaaay out compared to the rest. Most were between .299 and .381. Two exhaust valves were 1.499 and .889.
Either that cam got ground hard on that one set of valves or I bent them and they are not closing completely.
So now... I guess I cross my fingers, get the proper shims and do a compression check.
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Zmilin
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Oh boy...
As expected exhaust valves are bent and since I was this deep into it I decided to keep the high compression pistons. I wish I had the funds for the 994 right now but I don't.
So all my grand ideas of step by step build and reports on performance gains has pretty much gone out the window.
Im packing up my head and sending it to TPUSA later today for a Stage 1 job plus exhaust valve repair. In a stage 1 the exhaust valves stay the OE size. This will provide me some gains but I won't be taking full advantage of the work until next year when I get that 994 in there. The head is off and the bike is down no matter what so I may as well get it done now.
When all is said and done I will have FCR39s, 813 cams, headwork and higher compression pistons.
I still feel like someone kicked me in the gut and can't believe my stupid mistake! Goes to show... patience would have saved me a lot of time and money. Im sure Ill be smiling ear to ear when all is done though.
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Thanks for the update Z. Feel for yah on the bent valves. How long before the head is back?
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...I still feel like someone kicked me in the gut and can't believe my stupid mistake! ...Ill be smiling ear to ear when all is done though.
Don't look back, just make it better than it was!
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Zmilin
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Thanks for the update Z. Feel for yah on the bent valves. How long before the head is back?
Shouldn't be long. I think shipping will take longer than the actual work.
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Zmilin
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Heres some pics for ya...
Current state of affairs
I should NOT see light ... but I do...
Getting ready for shipping to TPUSA...
Just a side by side of old vs new
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That sucks Z. My bike is still going back together little by little, whenever I can find time to work on it. I took the stator cover off and turned the crank by hand, this way I can make sure all the marks line up. I turned it about four revolutions, so far so good. Hopefully I won't have any surprises waiting for me when I fire it up. Silver lining is that you get to do the head work now, even though it was money you probably weren't planning to spend. Good luck going forward.
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That looks all too familiar, except the engine is black instead of silver. 
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mag10
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looking at your picture of the high comp piston -
I would like to suggest that while you are at this point (waiting on the head) before installing the pistons you might want to break the sharp edges of the domes and valve cut outs, this will help prevent hot spots later on.
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Zmilin
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I appreciate the tip but I have to think that TPUSA has done their homework on these. Last thing I need is to fubar something else.
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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Two_Wheel_n
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+1 what Mag10 said. Just get an "x-acto" knife and run it along the edges of the dome and valve pockets, its part of the "engine build" not part of the "piston manufacturing". Don't cut into it, just scrape it, IE: keep the blade perpendicular to the edge. If you have your ignition advanced, and the higher comp. ratio, pre-ignition (pinging) could be a problem, especially if you get some bad gas.
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Some new pics:
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Zmilin
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+1 what Mag10 said. Just get an "x-acto" knife and run it along the edges of the dome and valve pockets, its part of the "engine build" not part of the "piston manufacturing". Don't cut into it, just scrape it, IE: keep the blade perpendicular to the edge. If you have your ignition advanced, and the higher comp. ratio, pre-ignition (pinging) could be a problem, especially if you get some bad gas.
Thanks for clarifying. You can't see it in the pics but that already been done before I got them. I can run my finger over all the "edges" and not feel any sharp edges and in some places can see that the edge has been taken down or de-burred.
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Sorry to hear Z! I'm not a very patient person myself so I feel your pain. I've done a lot stupid things rushing stuff cause I'm pumped about it. Good news is you'll have an awesome running motor soon.
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marty
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Oh that sucks Z,really sucks.those beefy,shiney new pistons do look good tho,look at the bright side tho,yer getting your head done.
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Zmilin
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Oh that sucks Z,really sucks.those beefy,shiney new pistons do look good tho,look at the bright side tho,yer getting your head done.
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I wish I had done the 865 high compression kit when I had the cam replaced but I was trying to keep th total cost down. So I think it will all work out for you despite having to spend more money thay you originally planned. Once you get it all back together I think it's gonna be a pretty strong motor. If you later decide to go big bore, it will be stronger still.
I'm still real happy with the 813 cams, exactly what the 865 motors need to produce good power.
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Zmilin
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Got news today that my cylinder head will be on its way back to me on Tuesday... this makes Z a happy man! Ill be putting together my motor at the end of the week and hopefully breaking it in over the weekend.
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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Conwy
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Hopefully next weekend will be as great (weather wise) as this one is. Had a great ride today and looking forward to another tomorrow!
Good luck Z and hope to see you & Karen out riding somewhere soon !
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Zmilin
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Head arrived today...
33mm intake (+2), 26mm exhaust (OE size as recommended by TPUSA for my ultimate goal).
Port matched intakes
More air in
More used air out
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Zmilin
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Jugs are on. TPUSA High Compression pistons are in.
Lesson learned here... make sure your rods are in the highest possible position.
Head is on.
Cam chain is on, crank and cam drive gear are aligned, everything rotates freely with no interference from pesky valves this time
Carbs (FCR 39mm) are on, filters are on, engine mounts on, oil lines are connected, and everything is toured to spec.
These carbs are not easy to get on. The OEM cables needed to be bent for clearance as they are much higher now. Its not shaping back like it should so Ill investigate more later and maybe need to order new cables.
Tip for getting them on....
Mount the intake manifolds to the head first.
Get the carbs in place and everything connected.
Then get the rubber boots on starting with the interior bolts (snug), rotating the rubber boot and get those bolts in tight, then go back and tighten the other bolt. I use low clearance bits and 1/4 open end for this.
The motor spins freely and its time to do valve calculations so I can get down to the shop tomorrow morning and get some shims.
I used the shims I had previously calculated (except for the bent valve locations) and they are now too tight. Im going to need to go back, pull the cams and use the thinnest shims I have on hand in hopes of getting some clearance. If not its going to be a back and forth kind of day tomorrow between home and the Triumph shop.
Edited by Zmilin (04/13/12 03:55 PM)
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Gregger
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Looking great Z. Love the pics. Did you have any issues with the cam chain tensioner?
Did the intake manifolds come with the carbs? If you use them can you still use the air box with the FCRs or do you need to switch to pods?
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Zmilin
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Looking great Z. Love the pics. Did you have any issues with the cam chain tensioner?
Did the intake manifolds come with the carbs? If you use them can you still use the air box with the FCRs or do you need to switch to pods?
No issues with the chain tensioner. I expected to have some but I guess I was so concerned about it that it decided to go smooth as butter for me.
Manifolds do come with the carbs unless you request otherwise.
No, you can not use the air box with the FCRs so a switch to pods is necessary. The carbs came with Uni filters as well as velocity stacks for some reason. Theres a nice carb brace included as well, though I haven't figured out how to use it yet.
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Dwight
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Lookin' REALLY good there, Z!
And, I especially love the look of those carbs!
(...can't wait to hear how you like the finished product...ya think you'll have that baby on the road in a few days?)
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Zmilin
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Lookin' REALLY good there, Z!
And, I especially love the look of those carbs!
(...can't wait to hear how you like the finished product...ya think you'll have that baby on the road in a few days?)
"a few days"... I plan on having her broken in by end of the weekend! Heck, maybe by end of Sat if I can get the valves figured out. Dang.. they are tight!
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Just great, Z! As usual your attention to detail is impeccable. Thanks for taking us with you on this rather ambitious undertaking. Can hardly wait to hear about how she purrs after the build! 
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marty
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Lookin good Z,as Keith mentioned your attention to detail has got to be good thing.If you get it together at a decent time would you consider riding up and giving me a hand with mine. LOL
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Good to see you're back on track
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The velocity stacks are for when you take it to the dragstrip or make a run at Bonneville...
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Zmilin
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A coupe final pics... everything went together well and with minimal issue. I cleaned as I went along so it took a little longer that expected.
My Nology wires broke again so I had to borrow Karens.
A few details still need to be done. Need to fit the cheese garters and side cover. Ill do that after the first 20 mile run.
Here she is minus seat...
I wish my back could handle one of those low profile seats... it looks so wicked low slung like that.
This was moments before I fired her up. Maybe if Friar is nice hell embed the video so everyone can see and hear the beast awaken!
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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Zmilin
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WOW! Just WOW!
She had a bit of a struggle to start but when she did it was like a pissed off best. The sound is so different than what it was. Its deeper, stronger and those clacking carbs (I forgot FCRs clack at idle) make for some interesting noises coming form my baby.
I had the throttle a bit tight and it took me a minute to get the idle down.
The kid in the video is my neighbor. He was pointing out a few small spots that were smoking. Probably drops of oil or whatever I missed during the wipe down.
I can't give you any feedback on performance yet cause the first 50 miles was to be held at low rpm (3000-3500 with short burst up to about 5k. I only did 20 miles today and Ill do the other 30 tomorrow. To keep my rpms that low I had to keep it in lower gears (or do I mean higher gears... I was cruising at 3000 in 3rd or fourth and keeping to the speed limit) so the burst weren't that memorable.
I think its time for new throttle cables. Mine have been a bit sticky and after bending the ends at the carbs they tend to be a bit stickier now.
Heres a little video to give you an idea.
First start
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good job
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Nice.
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Z...you really have a knack for making a person's mouth water.....er drool....yah, that's it....drool
Really appreciate the play by play effort you put into this post. Should almost make it to the tech vault in terms of a "HOW TOO" article.
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marty
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Nice one Z,lookin forward to hearing it in person.And wow the weather looked great,shot sleaves,leaves on trees.Been snowing here for the past 24hrs.
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Zmilin
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Yesterday was the first 20 and they were good. The bike was running and idling, high but idling. Throttle was sticky and me being paranoid wasn't pushing it too hard. Most of yesterdays excitement was the fact that she started and ran.
TODAY... Karen and I got geared up and we headed out. Not even two miles into it the bike was sputtering and backfiring. Just a mess. Low power even on flat land. Just horrible.
What happened.... when I fired it up it was idling too high. I turned the idle adjustment and got it down but I turned it too far out so it wasn't even screwed in anymore. The sticky throttle is what kept me idling in the driveway but when I got out there it was just not running. We turned around and headed home. I had three things to think about...
1- spark plugs - I had to repair my Nology wires till my TPUSA wires arrive next week.
2 - idle adjuster screw needed to be reset.
3 - what have I gotten myself into... oh wait... I wonder if I was really supposed to transfer over the "hidden filter"...hmmmm.
Got it in the garage and out came the carbs.
- reset idel screw.
- pulled "hidden filter"
- pulled Karens plug wires and there them in the bag in case that was an issue.
- This time when I attached the throttle cables I got them as far down as I could.
Carbs back on I pulled it out and got it fired. Set idle at about 1000. Check throttle and it snapped back. She idles and throttle is as it is supposed to be.
Get her out of the neighborhood and stab throttle on a starlight shot... Hmmm... I don't remember getting pulled back like that yesterday and certainly not with the bike the way it was before.
A couple twisties and another straight shot. Downshift, slow down and stab throttle... BAM! Here we go again... Who keeps pulling at my collar!!!
25 miles later and Im almost home. A nice mellow set of twisty lakeside road and an uphill climb to get back to the neighborhood. A red light and Im at pole position... Hmmmm
Green light, GO! 1st, 2nd, 3rd and it was like someone hit the NOS button (but I don't have NOS). Look down and I was at 7000K and still pulling. Let off throttle and back down to legal speeds but no one can see my ****** eating grin across my grill.
Total mileage now is about 55 since the build and she's feeling better. I remember the motor starting to feel better at about 100 miles when I first got the bike. Im starting to feel the same now.
Ill change the oil later tonight and get her filled up for the next 500 miles.
My "what have I gotten myself into" feeling is gone
Oh.... and as of getting home... no oil seeping anymore. Ill check it again in a bit and see if I can see anything then.
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Nice going, Z... you got the touch!
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I don't know if its a touch. If think If I had the touch its be a 100hp/100tq by just jetting eh!
I have some funds (not anymore), I have some literature, a great support structure (Carlos from TPUSA and you buys and girls here) and I have an understanding fiancé. All of that makes for some good times!
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...Really appreciate the play by play effort you put into this post. Should almost make it to the tech vault in terms of a "HOW TOO" article.
Couldn't agree more, Greg!
(...excellent writeup and accompanied pix during this whole thing, Z!)
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Thanks for that, splendid show.
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...Really appreciate the play by play effort you put into this post. Should almost make it to the tech vault in terms of a "HOW TOO" article.
Couldn't agree more, Greg!
+2 on Greg & Dwight's suggestion for sure.
Z, The Beast sounds sweet, & I just bet you're happier than a cat with a can o tuna with how all your research & effort came together.
One of these days my Black Beauty may become a Beasty too!
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Zmilin
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So I rode to work today. Luckily I had to go to one of my furthest locations so it was just over 200 miles round trip. This was the second stage of break in per the instructions Carlos sent me. Ill head down to drain the oil as soon as I type this up but I did want to provide an update.
Ive got that idle nice and sorted so now I need to learn how to get this thing to start (on a cold morning) without it sounding like a cannon blast.
The bike feels great and sounds awesome...still!
No leaking, no weeping, no seeping. I don't know where it came form but its all staying in the crankcase as it should :thumb up:
She accelerates like a bat outta hell and having that TTP (Triumph Twin Power) igniter sure is nice. No more bouncing off the redline. Thing is Im actually scared to try and get it to the redline.
Another nicety is that when you crack the throttle the MPH seem to go up as fast as the RPM (not literally but damn that needle moves).
And last but not least.... I was getting right at 40MPG.  Yup... 40 miles per gallon. Thats better than what I was getting before all these mods. Go figure.
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Ive got that idle nice and sorted so now I need to learn how to get this thing to start (on a cold morning) without it sounding like a cannon blast.
The no choke cold start  I can share with you how I get mine started. In some ways easier than the CVKs. Harder to start but easier to keep running.
For dead cold starts, I turn in the idle screw at least a full turn. Slowly twist the throttle 5-6 times to use the accelerator pumps to prime the carbs. With the throttle closed (and key on) push the start button. It should fire right up, if it does and dies right away, wind up the idle some more, and repeat the above. Or if you have a throttle lock you can use that instead.
when it warms up wind the idle back out. I usually do this while riding.
Do you have your TPS connected? If so, it will start easier than if not connected.
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For dead cold starts, I turn in the idle screw at least a full turn. Slowly twist the throttle 5-6 times to use the accelerator pumps to prime the carbs. With the throttle closed (and key on) push the start button. It should fire right up, if it does and dies right away, wind up the idle some more, and repeat the above. Or if you have a throttle lock you can use that instead.
when it warms up wind the idle back out. I usually do this while riding.
Do you have your TPS connected? If so, it will start easier than if not connected.
Yes TPS is connected.
I was thinking I was either going to have to lock the throttle or turn the idle adjuster up. Ill keep experimenting and see which one works best for me. Thanks
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For dead cold starts, I turn in the idle screw at least a full turn. Slowly twist the throttle 5-6 times to use the accelerator pumps to prime the carbs. With the throttle closed (and key on) push the start button. It should fire right up, if it does and dies right away, wind up the idle some more, and repeat the above. Or if you have a throttle lock you can use that instead.
when it warms up wind the idle back out. I usually do this while riding.
Do you have your TPS connected? If so, it will start easier than if not connected.
Yes TPS is connected.
I was thinking I was either going to have to lock the throttle or turn the idle adjuster up. Ill keep experimenting and see which one works best for me. Thanks
Z... there is no need to experimenting.
We need to enrich the low idle circuit, mail me and I tell you what to do.
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Zmilin
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I havent ridden since the 200 mile ride I had a few days ago. Weather has been crap. Today is sunny and Karen and I will be heading out for sure. Ill update more on that later.
I did want to take a moment to tell you all about what customer service is.
If you read the first installment of this thread you know how much time I have spent talking to Carlos at TPUSA. One might even say that after wasting that much of their (both Carlos and TPUSA) time the least I could do is spend a few bucks there. With most places that is where it stops. Maybe a few more emails or conversations about some assembly questions but at some point most places start to get short. Once they have your money thats it... deal is done. Not Carlos! No way man!
He has often made the comment "call me after" or "let me know". We have all had someone or someplace say that to us but the reality is we don't usually follow up. Its almost an expectation in todays world.
Nope.... not that guy (Carlos). I think if the situation was a little different he'd probably be calling me every day! :thumb up:
He took the time to read through this whole thread and get a feel for how the build was progressing.
He has talked me through the issues (not many issues, more concerns on my part) and what I have learned is that EVERY THING he has said to me has been dead on! No joke!
He views every customer not just as a customer he sold parts to but more as his very own build. He wants the build to be as good as it can possibly be and is willing to spend the time on the phone with you (he likes the phone more than email).
What I like most is the step by step approach he takes. That is a bit odd for some, it has been for me, as most places will give you a list of things to try and just let you go at it. He has leaned over the years that for every change there is a result that guides you to the next. If you don't follow that path you wind up someplace completely different.
I gotta tell you... I strongly and highly recommend TPUSA and Carlos to anyone that intends on doing anything performance based. Ill also warn you... You better be ready to be supported in way you never have before. This also means you need to change your mindset and check your ego (I had to). If you can do that Il know cause of that shiteating grin you'll have.
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Z you could not be anymore spot on about Carlos. I bought a 904 kit from him going on 4 years ago and his service was impeccable. At that same time the infamous Fast Fred ripped me off for a head, set of carbs, billet intakes and the cash up front to do the work. Carlos did everything he could to help me out and he did not know me from Adam. The cicumstances kind of took the wind out of my sails and I have yet to install the kit. About 3 months ago I starting thinking about starting over and getting the FCR's and head work done so I called Carlos. He remembered me and the circumstances like it was yesterday. Now I just have to move forward with the plan and Carlos will be the man I do business with.
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Zmilin
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OK... Its been a few days and the bike is starting much better now. No its not by magic or voodoo... its by tuning (specifically the slow jet and A/F mix screw). The Main, Pilot and Needle tuning will come later on the dyno.
Thing is I can't tell you what I did. Well, I can but it won't matter to you if you own a set of these carbs cause each bike is different based on a number of things. Same goes for jetting our OEM carbs but there are less variables (unless your B02S4 ). Example... Carlos runs a 1087 fully built motor and his jetting is (I forget which one) is smaller than mine right now. What I can tell you is that my bike is thirsty and I foresee that 40mpg I was getting pretty much going out the window soon. Cest La Vie!
With guidance form Carlos and a few adjustments I have gone from having to hold the throttle open while starting and a massive backfire and high idle to a few blips of the throttle (I said blips not turns) a push of a button and a smooth startup that won't make me cring and make my neighbors hate me.
Tomorrow morning will get me another step closer to a perfect start and Im sure there will be a few more adjustments. As of right now starting is night and day. No offense to Mag10 but Im able to start without having to monkey with my idle screw as of this morning. Man, what a relief!
You know whats gonna kill me.... next year when I go to a 994 big bore. Everything Im doing now will go back to square one and I get to do it all over again 
Only 440 more miles till I can get her on a dyne THEN really open her up.
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No offense to Mag10 but Im able to start without having to monkey with my idle screw as of this morning. Man, what a relief!
None taken, I suspect my 'cold' is a fair amount colder than yours. When I leave for work this time of year it is still in the mid 20's (like today) and the bike is way cold, and the ride is brisk.
glad to hear you are enjoying the ride and look forward to seeing the dyno sheets.
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What I can tell you is that my bike is thirsty and I foresee that 40mpg I was getting pretty much going out the window soon. Cest La Vie!
When I spoke with John @ TPUSA a few weeks ago he said that he and Carlos were getting 55mpg or better on their big bores.
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Carlos was very helpful with my big bore also, willing to answer all my stupid questions. She's running like a champ, as if I have a new bike. Looking forward to seeing your dyno, Z.
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Zmilin
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Looking forward to seeing your dyno, Z.
Mee too... if anything for the A/F ratio so I know its safe to open her wide open for a bit.
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Looking forward to seeing your dyno, Z.
Mee too... if anything for the A/F ratio so I know its safe to open her wide open for a bit.
You know, I've been trying to take it easy, but last night I was on the way home from a friend's house, turned onto this long exit ramp, and couldn't help myself. I held it wfo through a couple gears...awesome. I was grinning the rest of the way home.
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What I can tell you is that my bike is thirsty and I foresee that 40mpg I was getting pretty much going out the window soon. Cest La Vie!
When I spoke with John @ TPUSA a few weeks ago he said that he and Carlos were getting 55mpg or better on their big bores.
Hi Sir;
John is confused, his bike and my bike, both 1087's are giving 50 miles per gallon at freeway speed ( 75 MPH constant in 5th gear).
Under hard riding conditions the average goes down to 38/40 MPG.
I hope this help.
PS: I really appreciate the props from all of you guys!
Hope all of you have a lot of fun for many years to come!
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Maybe I was the confused one here, he must have meant downhill. Any way I beleive I'll  .
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Might be the best thread ever
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Greenhorn? Carlos?
Perhaps the good Friar could change 1087's member title to something more descriptive? Tech Guru comes to mind. Sir Parallel Twin another.
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Zmilin
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Greenhorn? Carlos?
Perhaps the good Friar could change 1087's member title to something more descriptive? Tech Guru comes to mind. Sir Parallel Twin another.
Its so wrong its funny!
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this thread is making me pocket want to empty its change :-) unfortunately i don't have the skill for any of this and not sure i want to afford the dealership to do it for me.....
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Zmilin
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We need a smiley that does backflips...
NW Lunch in Chehalis Wa is this weekend and that will easily put me over the 500 mile break in mark (if I don't do it sooner). That means I switch to synthetic oil which means I can freely let her rip (with caution as I don't know my actual a/f ratio for sure).
May 8th at 9am the bike goes to the dyno for a tuning session. Of course I will post those results here as well as some butt dyno impressions and maybe even a ride by video
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One of these day's Carlos is going to get all my money. I'm going to pack Elvira up and ship her off to California to get the full 1087 treatment. I'm even going to let them keep it till they get it past the break in and have it all tuned up nice and sweet. When I get her back I'm going to ride her like a rented mule. Ah yes... one day, one day.
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Zmilin
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Since a 1087 is a stroked 994 its only one step further (removing the crank since the engine cases will be split anyway. Carlos was telling me that its a bit much for a cruiser... but can you REALLY ever have too much
I keep running circles in my head about this.
I keep telling myself I don't want that much power on such a light bike. I don't think its working.
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I keep telling myself I don't want that much power on such a light bike. I don't think its working.
Tons of power in a light bike = fun, fun, fun it would seem to me. It's thinkin' outside the box and I like that. Z, you are an inspiration!
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I keep telling myself I don't want that much power on such a light bike. I don't think its working.
What the hell kind of logic is that?
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Zmilin
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Didn't I say my logic wasn't working!
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Didn't I say my logic wasn't working!
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Zmilin
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Man...that was the longest 750 miles E V E R !
As of this afternoon all three stages of break in (50, 200, 500) are DONE! Ive swapped back over to my Amsoil and can't wait to get it out tomorrow and see how she really feels over 5k RPM.
I doubt Ill go to crazy with it as I still don't know if Im running rich or lean at WOT. I do have a good idea that Im a bit on the rich side. Why... cause Im getting on average in the mid to low 30 mpg and when I pulled the plugs yesterday they were dry and sooty but not too bad.
Stay tuned for a but dyno report tomorrow eve.
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Zmilin
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Today was the first day out without having to worry about RPMs and being able to twist the throttle to my hearts desire.
Keep in mind that the carbs are running rich. Richer than I thought at RPMs over 5k. I know this cause of the amount of black soot on my exhaust tips AND from feedback form my riding buddy today. He said that when I whack that throttle he can smell fuel. LIke I said before... right now Id rather be rich than lean.
Throttle response - you know how on the stock carbs when you whack the throttle there is that delay... or when your rolling on it doesn't seem like its doing anything so you roll a bit more then all of a sudden the surge hits and you have to back off... yeah, none of that exists anymore. With my current set up if you twist there is a reaction. No delay, just go!
Idling - I have a slight issue at idle. At long lights I get a cough then the bike wants to die. Carlos says this will go away once the carbs are tuned on the dyno. He has not said anything to me that has not been true so I have to believe this. There is a lot going on with these carbs and I think they are close. Right now very rich but close.
Power - hehehe... ok. 1st gear, whack the throttle and 7k comes up faster than you ever could imagine. My buddy today said that he saw my front end get light each time I nailed the throttle. From my perspective when I nailed it it felt as if someone was grabbing my collar and trying to get me off the bike. Not to an uncomfortable level but significantly more than I expected. The way the RPMs jump between 5500 and up is amazing. Like a NOS button. In all honesty I was not mentally prepared to go over 7500k. I only tried once today to get over 7500k and I did and I ran out of road really freaking fast.
The bike cruises at 70mph in 5th at about 3500 rpm (I have a 19T sprocket up front). I was coming up to an incline where in the past I always had to downshift. Today I went from 1/4 throttle to 1/2 throttle and watched my speed increase as I climbed the incline. I was impressed. I certainly did not expect to be able to do that.
Passing traffic is as simple as twisting the throttle, no downshifting needed.
Passing on a two lane (legally) is no longer filled with thoughts of "do I have enough room to make this pass?"... its pretty much a flick of the throttle and pass.
My buddy was on a Goldwing and granted he is fast on that thing. No way I can keep up if he really nailed it BUT today I was on his 6 each time he passed a car I was there in his mirror. In the past its always been me catching up.
So yes, the bike is faster the it used to be.
No, I don't go racing at each green light.
I feel the bike is now what it should be. Responsive, more fun to ride that it used to be and I no longer wonder if I have the power needed. I am more confident knowing that the power is there if I need it and when I need it it will be delivered quickly, smoothly and (after tuning) efficiently.
So... would I do it again? YES! I don't know how much the headwork adds but between the carbs, cams and HC pistons this is one hell of a great mod and IMHO worth every penny.
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FriarJohn
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So how many pennies so far?
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Keith
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Great butt dyno report! If I wasn't addicted to guitars (can never have too many) I'd be doing engine work on my bike too. It's very inspiring to read about your performance gains!
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Zmilin
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So how many pennies so far?
A LOT!
My buddy asked me that today too... about 3.4 K.
Keep in mind... my little bent valve adventure added 1400 unexpected to the mix.
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FriarJohn
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Do you count the high compression pistons as part of the 1400 unexpected? $2000 for cams and carbs and headwork, including tons of tech support doesn't actually sound that bad.
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Grzegorz
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since I got my big bore fitted no downshift is needed to overtake(mostly) but now after remapped CDI by Pieman acceleration is even much quicker
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John,
No, the pistons were included in the big number. The head that I keep referring to as a stage 1 is actually a Street Plus. Per the TPUSA website...TPUSA headwork
Street is a ported, polished, reshaped, 5 angle vjob, new parts as needed (meaning valve guides, springs, retainers, etc...).
Street Plus is above and port match intake manifolds and oversize valves.
Heres the breakdown on my build so far (not including tax)....
Carbs - 989.00
865 Hi Po kit - 969.00
Opt 3 igniter - 249.00 (I forgot about this in the initial reply to you)
Street Plus head - 1400.00
Heres what it was supposed to be...
Carbs - 989.00
Cams - 695.00 (I was not supposed to be doing the pistons originally)
Opt 3 igniter - 249.00
Headwork was never part of the plan for this year. Cest La Vie!
I will say this... if your only thinking of doing cams with no intent on a big bore later then you should consider doing the Hi Po kit!
If you go to the Triumph Twin Power website and check the dyno sheets. He's got a run for a a 270 degree motor running the TPUSA Hi Po kit without his igniter and OE carbs making 70RWHP/49Tq, add his igniter and it goes up to 73RWHP/50Tq.
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since I got my big bore fitted no downshift is needed to overtake(mostly) but now after remapped CDI by Pieman acceleration is even much quicker
Next year I will be pulling stumps out of the ground like you
For now I am happy with my giddy up!
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first we want to see dyno numbers 
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first we want to see dyno numbers
7 more days!
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Man I never been so curious about someone elses dyno result before
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Man I never been so curious about someone elses dyno result before
And I have never been so worried to let someone else mess with the setting on my bike
I expect to see a significant increase in HP and a minimal increase in torque. Of course all of that will be dependent upon how well the carbs can be tuned by the operator.
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Where are you having the Dyno done???BrothersPowerSports in Bremerton have a great reputation but a little bit of a spin for me..They quoted me $700 for installing and purchase of PowerCommander3 and set-up with Dyno for my Rocket..Perhaps if you have a pleasant experience with their service,check with them for PowerCommander and set up for my 08 Rocket.Thanks "Z"..They may treat you right if they know potential business may come their way!
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Sorry Bob... Right down the hill from me is I90. I did my baseline there and they are known by TPUSA so they get to do my tuning and dyno runs. I'm really hoping they have a good carb guy there. I will drop by this afternoon and verify.
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Not a problem..TofT is not the same with Bob,Paul,etc gone.I didnt know that I90 did dyno work.I can check myself about PC and dyno on my Rocket.They put tires on my friend "G"'s Rocket(06) for a LOT Less than Tof T charged me last month..I like Lonnie but not enough to over pay!!!Thanks "Z"..we need to get together now that weathers' good..love to hear that america running!!!Just got of phone from Tom@service..Installation,dyno,etc about$900 complete with the new PC5..less travel,etc.Let me know your experience later..and Thanks again "Z"
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Zmilin
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"Z"..we need to get together now that weathers' good..love to hear that america running!!!
Well work on this soon...
I hear Copper Creek pie calling my name
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Man I never been so curious about someone elses dyno result before
I went by today to make sure they knew the bike was modified and there would be no surprises for either of us. I also wanted to make sure they would have someone that has worked on FCRs there as well, otherwise id reschedule. Now they are looking forward to it as well. "we like fun bikes like that, can't wait for next Tues!"
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The suspense is killing me!
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The suspense is killing me!
How the F do you think I feel?
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Z take the laptop with you and give us real time results. 
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Z take the laptop with you and give us real time results.
Ill have the iPad
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You are the best.
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Zmilin
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Maaaaan.... Tomorrow morning can not get here fast e-freaking-nough! 
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Watdoya think if feels like to be me?@#! 
(Looking forward to your results!)
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The bike is still at the shop and will be there for a couple days. They need to get the proper jets, assemble and tune.
I did get a peek at the prelim dyno run form this morning...
Baseline Dyno from Feb was 50.74 Hp, 49.27 Tq
Baseline Dyno today was 78 Hp, 54 Tq
An increase of 27+ Hp and 4 + Tq
Once the final results are in Ill post again. 
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That's real nice, man! I'd like to see a couple more ponies and a few more ftlbs after it's dialed in, those numbers there are just about what I'm running now. You're getting me motivated to get another dyno run on mine and see if the Procom unit is a power adder or not.
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Zmilin
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Well... I just got off the phone with Carlos who is talking to the shop doing my dyno tune. Sounds like their sniffer isn't picking up my a/f correctly.
He has visibility to the dyno runs and is talking to the operator. Based on the results (even skewed) he knows what he needs to send them but Im not sure how its going to translate to final numbers. The numbers posted are under rich conditions.
Im certainly going to get those bungs welded into my spare headers ASAP now. I really want to make sure I do not run lean.
Ive said it before and Ill say it again... Im glad I have Carlos on my side.
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54 TQ? where did you get that from?
I don't even know yet, but it's more than that.
Let's wait for number until is done, can we?
That was from one of the runs they did. When I dropped off the loaner bike I asked to see the numbers and that was on the screen.
That was before you and I talked today but after you spoke to them.
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Oh... that means that you knew everything that I told you over the phone and more... what a waist of energy...
LOL... No. Ill email you directly and well wait for the results after he get the jets.
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78hp + 54 ftlb, and the baby isn't even completely dialed in yet?! And, we're talkin' at the rear wheel here, right?!
I would KILL for numbers like that as they presently stand!
Now IF I can just stop spendin' money on houses!!!
(...btw Carlos, hello there ol' buddy...how's everyone at the shop?)
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Lets wait for good set up coz my america with 68 hp has 57 ftlb
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Lets wait for good set up coz my america with 68 hp has 57 ftlb
yes but you have a BB. Your mods are known to make Tq. Mine are more Hp than Tq (based on my own research). But I also agree... lets wait and see if the shop can sort the a/f issues they are having.
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Dang it! Bike is done but I'm in Los Angeles for the weekend 
No I don't know what the final numbers are, I just got the message and they are closed.
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Gratz! good luck with it!
Bird.
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Zmilin
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Called the shop today... Got the HP number but the guy was in the other building and he couldn't recall the tourqe. I'll pick up the bike on Tuesday and share the numbers and charts then... I am typing this with a big smile though
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Tease.
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Zmilin
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OK... here it is...
No - I have not ridden it yet. I was only able to get to the dealer, pay and pick up keys and paperwork. Ill pick it up later this afternoon.
Yes Dwight, those numbers are at the rear wheel.
From what I understand these numbers are also a bit on the conservative side due to the SAE.
I have a handful of dyno sheets but am only going to post this one for now. Im going to ask if he has one or can configure it on paper to show RPM instead of MPH and add a/f to it.
I have zero complaints (except for how much this tuning session cost me but I needed to have it done for my own peace of mind and lack of time).
The TPUSA parts are top notch!
The service and support from Carlos is nothing short of spectacular.
All that said here it is on paper for your own eyes to feast upon. Sit back from the monitor so as not to drool on your keyboards people 
What your seeing is the run from 2-8 (baseline before all the mods) and 5-11 (max Hp/Tq after mods).
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I'm impressed and yes he can give you engine speed instead of mph and a/f ratio (they have some scroll down menu)
.....I'm going friday to my man to get new print of my last dyno with torque and rpm instead of mph
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AH,nice one Zman!
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It sure will be nice to be able to just twist that throttle and have the instantaneous power to pass a car or three on a stretch of two-lane road when ya need it, Z.
(...which is the only aspect of our bikes I've always felt was lacking in 'em)
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And that's not even a 904. Very impressed. Congrats on a great result to the whole post and for keeping us a part of it.
If I were Carlos, I'd give you a big discount on the next engine upgrade you plan based on the free advertisment you provided.
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Zmilin
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It sure will be nice to be able to just twist that throttle and have the instantaneous power to pass a car or three on a stretch of two-lane road when ya need it, Z.
(...which is the only aspect of our bikes I've always felt was lacking in 'em)
I agree. I love the bike but it always needed more than it had.
Im sure that has nothing to do with my size though
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Great results, however, I have to ask, why did the operator choose "Smoothing : 2" instead of the customary 5?
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Zmilin
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It was the services guy that printed it. I got one that is better with a/ f on it but won't be able to post till later tonight.
I also chose one (they have 13 runs on record for me) that is slightly less HP but is a better run.
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what is your redline set to?
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Very respectable numbers. Nice going, Z!
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Dave,
I thought redline was at 8k but after this it looks like its 8.5k.
ok... heres one of the other runs in a format we are all a bit more used to seeing.
Hp on the left, Tourqe on the right. RPM at the bottom. SAE at 4 (makes the lines look smoother).
They said they didn't stab the throttle on this run, more of a roll on to WOT.
I really like that torque line. It gets there and stays there across the run. Funny... on the short ride home this evening I was thinking that it felt more consistent.
Anyway... more eye candy for you all...
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Heres the chart showing run 12 and 13 (the one I posted above).
In run 12 they did a stab to WOT and the a/f curve was all over the place till about 4500rpm. They said it was due to those carbs sucking in so much air initially. At first I thought BS but the more I think about it the more Im convincing myself that it makes sense. I mean how often am I going to be stabbing the throttle to WOT from a dead stop!... right
Im wondering how this will translate to real world riding. This is also the run that makes me want to install one of the Innovative Motorsports systems to monitor the a/f during real works riding. Ugggg... the idea of spending more money right now makes me ill.
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ok... Ive made a modification to the title of this portion of the thread. I changed the HP to 82 because its more accurate and consistent. Of the 13 runs they did only one made it to 83 Hp.
I rode a bit yesterday and a bit today. I have not had the opportunity to get it out for more than 50 miles at a time.
Initial impressions are as follows:
- Im glad I wear a full face otherwise everyone would see the stupid grin on my face. Seriously, no exaggeration, Im grinning ear to ear even when Im hang on for dear life.
- The sound is deeper. More pronounced and seems to be less "twangy" out of the pipes.
- I hate to admit it but when I really get on it its intimidating. Im getting used to it but none the less, its a lot more bike than I had before. Id also be lying If I didn't admit that the first time I really got on it that it dint scare the snot outta me. I simply didn't expect it to be like this. I had an idea due to the one time during break in that I got it up there but I partially dismissed that to being giddy.
Now something really interesting...
- I thought I had an issue between 1st and 2nd. It felt like it was bogging after shifting into 2nd. I did some more runs today (a combo of roll on and WOT) and figured out what was happening...
-- The torque comes in close to 3k and stays there (within a couple ft/lbs) all the way to redline. For as awesome as that is it creates a situation... Normally we can feel the need to shift the bike because we feel the power drop off. Our brains tell us its time to shift at that point. Most of us do this even if we have a tach... we don't really look at it and the tach is really only a security blanket or a tool to help us know where our idle is and maybe at what RPM we are at when we balance carbs.
Imagine taking away the power drop off and having an odd angle view to the tach (sorry if you never noticed that because you will from this point forward). You know what happens... YOU HIT THE REV LIMITER ... a lot and it makes your bike cut out when you do that and THAT makes you think that your bogging down in the next gear. The very moment you realize that your power is so dang consistent all the way to redline and that you may actually need a shift light is when your grin tries to get bigger than your face can handle and your cheeks hurt. :fat grin:
There has been some inquiries about how smooth the bike really runs at idle with the carbs and cams... silk! Like silk! I might even go out on a limb and say it runs smoother than it did before. Ill get this on video as well.
How easy is it to start with no choke... pfft! Who needs a choke! I believe I described this in a previous post but its even easier now that the carbs seem to be right. Of course the weather has warmed up so I can't tell you how easy it is to cold start it but Ill let you know when it gets cold again in a few months.
I can go on and on and on but I won't. I have decided that its ok to brag a bit so Im going to do that for a while and not feel guilty about it, not one bit.
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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Grzegorz
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I mean how often am I going to be stabbing the throttle to WOT from a dead stop!... right
often just for fun factor
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Grzegorz ......55 cubic inches
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25172906@N06/ 904 Wiseco,813 TPUSA cams,TTP ignitor,gutted airbox,"breath" air intake,Keihin CR-S carbs,Black Epco exhaust,SS wheels
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Zmilin
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So the next step will be a brake upgrade.
After riding this weekend I came to a rather inconvenient realization that my current brake set up will not do, especially if Im hot rodding the bike around like I seem to be doing.
Keep in mind Im a larger guy (300#+) so the bike has a bit more stopping to do when it needs to slow me down...especially at speed.
When the bike was stock I went with better EBC pads. That did the trick.
I did some typical mods (pipes, Freak) and the above set up was ok but adding the EBC floating root was the ticket for sure.
Now the bike has some serious go power and needs some better stopping power. If Im riding normally its ok but since the bike has a tendency to get moving a lot faster and seems to be at a faster speed (I wonder how that happened all of a sudden) I will not be able to stop the way I want.
So after a conversation with Carlos today I learned that the America caliper and Bonny calipers seems to be the same. (damn, just remembered I forgot to ask him something). This means the Beringer calipers (4pot or 6pot) are a direct swap. Good news.
An upgrade to one of the above is good but to get the real performance out of them requires a master cylinder with a bigger diameter valve. Damn... I had forgot about that part of the equation!
The brakes (pun intended) are on this portion of the project for a coupe weeks at which time I will be ordering up a nice 6pot caliper and R3 m/c. Maybe even a new rotor just to be safe. Not sure yet.
Why the 6pot... cause Im still in the market for a 994 BB next year and if I do that I will need the 6pot then so I may as well do it now.
I know I could have waited for all this but what the heck... I like baiting you all along
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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B02S4
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Stop it.
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Zmilin
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Stop it.
I was feeling bad about stopping short on this conversation.
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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Zmilin
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Order officially placed today...
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So the next step will be a brake upgrade.
After riding this weekend I came to a rather inconvenient realization that my current brake set up will not do, especially if Im hot rodding the bike around like I seem to be doing.
Keep in mind Im a larger guy (300#+) so the bike has a bit more stopping to do when it needs to slow me down...especially at speed.
When the bike was stock I went with better EBC pads. That did the trick.
I did some typical mods (pipes, Freak) and the above set up was ok but adding the EBC floating root was the ticket for sure.
Now the bike has some serious go power and needs some better stopping power. If Im riding normally its ok but since the bike has a tendency to get moving a lot faster and seems to be at a faster speed (I wonder how that happened all of a sudden) I will not be able to stop the way I want.
So after a conversation with Carlos today I learned that the America caliper and Bonny calipers seems to be the same. (damn, just remembered I forgot to ask him something). This means the Beringer calipers (4pot or 6pot) are a direct swap. Good news.
An upgrade to one of the above is good but to get the real performance out of them requires a master cylinder with a bigger diameter valve. Damn... I had forgot about that part of the equation!
The brakes (pun intended) are on for this portion of the project for a couple weeks at which time I will be ordering up a nice 6pot caliper and R3 m/c. Maybe even a new rotor just to be safe. Not sure yet.
Why the 6pot... cause Im still in the market for a 994 BB next year and if I do that I will need the 6pot then so I may as well do it now.
I know I could have waited for all this but what the heck... I like baiting you all along
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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chuckyj
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Reged: 10/12/07
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After looking at Baringer web site it got me thinking. If our bikes use a H12a and most Honda's use a H12a and the Honda's that use a H11a use the same disk but come with a 4 pot from the factory. I wounder what the difference in mounting is.
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Life need a little Triumph!
2008 Triumph Speedmaster, Single baffle drag pipes, lots of black powder coating, uni filter, AI removed, Bobbed rear fender, bar end mirrors, drilled air box, and TBS needles.
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SDKimo
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The Honda three piston (Europe models fit). Wonder what models have the 4 piston....
http://www.bonnevilleamerica.com/forums/...e=0&fpart=2
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chuckyj
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I think I am going to find a cbr forum and talk to them maybe I can get a lead on something.
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Life need a little Triumph!
2008 Triumph Speedmaster, Single baffle drag pipes, lots of black powder coating, uni filter, AI removed, Bobbed rear fender, bar end mirrors, drilled air box, and TBS needles.
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SDKimo
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The cbr's here run a radial brake and that doesn't fit...I think that started in 06 or 07...before that I think they are two piston
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SDKimo
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This one is four (I think)...two on the outside and two on the inside
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-cbr-600-...e#ht_500wt_1202
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SDKimo
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Damm we may be on to some thing here:
Statside
http://www.ebay.com/itm/02-03-HONDA-CBR9...#ht_3536wt_1214
This shows 4 pistons:
http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/model_years/1057-honda-2002-cbr954rr-cbr900rr/assemblies/13876
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chuckyj
3/4 Throttle
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Loc: Mohawk, NY
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So who has some cash to blow to try this lol!
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Life need a little Triumph!
2008 Triumph Speedmaster, Single baffle drag pipes, lots of black powder coating, uni filter, AI removed, Bobbed rear fender, bar end mirrors, drilled air box, and TBS needles.
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Zmilin
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Loc: Sammamish, Washington - USA
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Did you guys not see the thread that Grzegorz started a few days ago...?
Brake upgrade 3 piston caliper
Theres also a write up on rat.net but I got banned (I think).
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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chuckyj
3/4 Throttle
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yes but they are only in the UK need to find something in the us that will work. So leave us aloan Z oh wait this is your thread... im leaving now 
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Life need a little Triumph!
2008 Triumph Speedmaster, Single baffle drag pipes, lots of black powder coating, uni filter, AI removed, Bobbed rear fender, bar end mirrors, drilled air box, and TBS needles.
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Zmilin
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yes but they are only in the UK need to find something in the us that will work. So leave us aloan Z oh wait this is your thread... im leaving now
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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SDKimo
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I wish I saw this earlier...I dropped $80 on a '87 set that is just two pistons..which is what I have now on my speedmaster...any one what them ?LOL
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Zmilin
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I know we all like finding something that works and is cheap but there are certain things I won't screw around with. Stopping is one of them.
I was thinking of bidding on a R3 master cylinder on eBay and going with a take off caliper but the more I thought about it the more I decided that saving a bit longer and being able to have the utmost confidence in the mods I made, as well as not wanting to take a chance with my life, I opted to go new and conciquentially bigger (6pot over 4pot).
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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StanTheMan
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I just came across this thread today (I usually spend my time at the RAT forum) and wanted to say that I really enjoyed following your progress through the engine modifications. I also agree 100 % on Carlos. I've delt with him on a number of modifications and found him to be very customer oriented and very tech savy. He's helped me solve problems over the phone, sent me parts so that I could keep my bike running while I sent him the cores, and has taken the time to follow up on things to make sure all was well. TPUSA has a great representative in Carlos.
And Z, I think you're modifications are going to be costing me some money in the near future! I love your dyno figures.
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08 America, A/I &, Calif emissions "stuff" gone, air box removed & battery relocated, billet intakes, UNI Pods, 145 mains, 42 pilots, Stage 2 igniter, intminators, 813 cams, Progressive 412's, modified seat.
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Zmilin
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And Z, I think you're modifications are going to be costing me some money in the near future!
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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Zmilin
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Right out the box...
Comparison... size maters boys and mine is bigger than yours
Now if I can learn to use it properly...
Installed and ready for use...
BTW... if you haven't checked your brake fluid lately you should. Ive checked my pads, fluid levels and rotors often over the last few years and never noticed the change in color of brake fluid. What I thought was fine actually drained out in a watered down coffee color.
Ill be draining and refiling the rears later this afternoon... since Ill be checking the rear pads anyway
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07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
Edited by Zmilin (07/06/12 07:23 AM)
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SDKimo
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You should change the bake fluid at least once per year or when ever it becomes a dark color. If you want optimum braking with no fade..When I had my sport bike and doing track days I would change the fluid every 2 months..
Edited by SDKimo (07/09/12 07:35 AM)
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B02S4
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... size maters boys and mine is bigger than yours...
Yeah, but I have two
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Ryk
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Speedmasters come with 4 pots and 2 rotors to boot, both should haul up 'bout the same, as long as the America is upgraded, such as Z s bike.
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MikeVanTso
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Sorry to wake the dead but what an awesome build, and great results. Any recent updates?
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