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outerbanks
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Re: 'Brutal Beauty' bobber [Re: Dwight]
      #663390 - 12/27/16 03:05 AM

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....In the real world on the road there is value to riding a big old comfortable cruiser rolling 65mph at only 2400 rpm all day that looks cool and has outstanding fit, finish, paint and chrome with a dealer in every town to take care of you.




Yep OB, but doesn't this all depend upon what KIND of "real world road" you're talkin' about here?!

I mean sure, I gotta admit whenever I'm passin' one or often a bunch of those H-Ds riders on some TWISTY mountain road around here in northern Arizona while ridin' my BA, I DO occasionally think to myself how "comfortable" those fellas look on their big "cool" lumbering machines, alright.

And of course as I come up on 'em and before passing 'em, I ALSO tend to notice they often wouldn't know the proper line to take through a curvy stretch of road if their lives depended upon it...and if ya THINK about this, one's life CAN "depend" upon knowing such a thing, ya know.

Yep, I can't tell ya how many times I've seen those "comfortable" and "cool" riders takin' an early apex into a turn, and then watch as they "go wide" and wallow over and across the double yellow at even MODERATE speeds. Why, it's almost as if they really don't know how to ride a motorcycle or somethin'?! Well, other than maybe "cruising" down some straight boring road, anyway.

And which of course always seems kind'a strange to me, 'cause as I pass 'em on those twisty roads, they in general appear not ONLY to be very "comfortable" and "cool", but ALSO tend to look about the same age I am and thus MUST have been ridin' motorcycles almost as long as I have.

(...that would be comin' up on 50 years now, btw)






Oh I see, so in your opinion since I ride a Harley Davidson my skills are lacking. You know that someone isn't a capable rider just by the brand of bike they have. So I've been riding all my life and when I rode a Triumph I was a good rider but now because I have a Harley Davidson you would judge me incompetent. Brilliant.

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2012 Harley Davidson 1200C Sportster
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outerbanks
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Re: 'Brutal Beauty' bobber [Re: Speedmaster05]
      #663391 - 12/27/16 03:16 AM

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In all fairness, I've seen guys on most major brands of bikes - especially cruisers - that don't ride well. That includes Triumph.
You just notice it more with HD riders as there are so many of them.
The first time I rode with my Indian motorcycle crew, I realized that just because someone has a $25K motorcycle, a long gray beard, tattoos and a leather vest doesn't mean they know how to ride that motorcycle - regardless of how long they've been riding.





Agreed.

And some of those old gray beards might not be as good as they once were when they were younger and the joints on their body didn't hurt for no reason. And of course old men never touch whiskey before riding...but most old riders will tell you all about the Triumph they had when they were young!

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Speedmaster05
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Re: 'Brutal Beauty' bobber [Re: Dwight]
      #663394 - 12/27/16 08:04 AM

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Well T-Man, if Kevin can talk Judie into lettin' me get another motorcycle, and now days preferably that beautiful Indian Springfield, I'd write him a separate check for his services right this very instant!




Dwight, you'll have to give me her contact information so I can work my magic for you bro!

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Dwight
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Re: 'Brutal Beauty' bobber [Re: outerbanks]
      #663395 - 12/27/16 08:40 AM

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....In the real world on the road there is value to riding a big old comfortable cruiser rolling 65mph at only 2400 rpm all day that looks cool and has outstanding fit, finish, paint and chrome with a dealer in every town to take care of you.




Yep OB, but doesn't this all depend upon what KIND of "real world road" you're talkin' about here?!

I mean sure, I gotta admit whenever I'm passin' one or often a bunch of those H-Ds riders on some TWISTY mountain road around here in northern Arizona while ridin' my BA, I DO occasionally think to myself how "comfortable" those fellas look on their big "cool" lumbering machines, alright.

And of course as I come up on 'em and before passing 'em, I ALSO tend to notice they often wouldn't know the proper line to take through a curvy stretch of road if their lives depended upon it...and if ya THINK about this, one's life CAN "depend" upon knowing such a thing, ya know.

Yep, I can't tell ya how many times I've seen those "comfortable" and "cool" riders takin' an early apex into a turn, and then watch as they "go wide" and wallow over and across the double yellow at even MODERATE speeds. Why, it's almost as if they really don't know how to ride a motorcycle or somethin'?! Well, other than maybe "cruising" down some straight boring road, anyway.

And which of course always seems kind'a strange to me, 'cause as I pass 'em on those twisty roads, they in general appear not ONLY to be very "comfortable" and "cool", but ALSO tend to look about the same age I am and thus MUST have been ridin' motorcycles almost as long as I have.

(...that would be comin' up on 50 years now, btw)






Oh I see, so in your opinion since I ride a Harley Davidson my skills are lacking. You know that someone isn't a capable rider just by the brand of bike they have. So I've been riding all my life and when I rode a Triumph I was a good rider but now because I have a Harley Davidson you would judge me incompetent. Brilliant.




Gotta say here OB, that your jumping to the FALSE conclusion that I somehow called YOU a lousy rider is less than "brilliant" ITSELF, dude!

Nope, read that reply of mine to you again, and then you might see that it ACTUALLY contains more the thought which Kevin expressed after I posted it, and which included the idea that because there are a lot of lousy riders out there riding motorcycles of every brand, AND because H-Ds seem to be so predominate on the road, THUS it would give people such as myself the impression that there are more lousy riders riding H-Ds than any other brand.

(...trust me here, kid...in those 50 years of riding I told you about, I also occasionally have noticed riders on big "comfortable" and "cool looking" H-Ds who seem to know how to ride 'em on more challenging roads too, and who don't seem as if leaning their big "comfortable" and "cool looking" machines over at a little speed is beyond their skill level, and who seem to know the right line to take into and out of those curves...and from how you seemed to get your nose out of joint by misreading what I said, perhaps YOU are one of those...the seemingly rare H-D owner who actually KNOWS how to ride motorcycles with some proficiency, and DIDN'T just purchase one because "it's the cool thing to do" and/or so you could indulge yourself into that "cool" little H-D "culture" thing they have goin' on!)

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Re: 'Brutal Beauty' bobber [Re: Dwight]
      #663402 - 12/27/16 04:24 PM

Do to the volume of H.D. bikes on the road I think there are more skilled riders on H.D.s then on Triumphs. See Dwight, figures can be made to say whatever you want....I ride both a Triumph and a Harley and I must say that Harley has done more to promote safe riding then any other brand, The Harley riding Academy has trained thousands of newby's to handle a bike. The program is not a joke,and many long term riders would play hell passing the test without going through the course. We are all riders here and it's all good, when riding in a group it is common to ride a bit slower so that all can enjoy the ride. My life is exciting enough, I ride to relax, not to push the boundries on public roads.

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Dwight
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Re: 'Brutal Beauty' bobber [Re: tinmantwo]
      #663407 - 12/27/16 05:19 PM

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Do to the volume of H.D. bikes on the road I think there are more skilled riders on H.D.s then on Triumphs. See Dwight, figures can be made to say whatever you want....I ride both a Triumph and a Harley and I must say that Harley has done more to promote safe riding then any other brand, The Harley riding Academy has trained thousands of newby's to handle a bike. The program is not a joke,and many long term riders would play hell passing the test without going through the course. We are all riders here and it's all good, when riding in a group it is common to ride a bit slower so that all can enjoy the ride. My life is exciting enough, I ride to relax, not to push the boundries on public roads.




I think you made some good point here, Dennis.

Perhaps in MY case it might be more the thought that I've always pretty such found myself having more fun while tacking a challenging road, and NOT at 9-to-10/10th of my and bike's capabilities as that of course is strictly for the track, but at maybe 7-to-8/10th of my and my bike's capabilities (as I've found this helps keep my riding skills up to snuff) and than just cruising along some straight, and as I call 'em, "boring" road.

(...and because the concept of leaning a motorcycle into turns has always been the thing that I've felt makes motorcycling such the unique motor vehicle-based endeavor that it is)

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PES
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Re: 'Brutal Beauty' bobber [Re: tinmantwo]
      #663408 - 12/27/16 05:24 PM

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twhen riding in a group it is common to ride a bit slower so that all can enjoy the ride


. You obviously have never been to a BA.com rally.

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Dwight
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Re: 'Brutal Beauty' bobber [Re: PES]
      #663409 - 12/27/16 05:33 PM

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twhen riding in a group it is common to ride a bit slower so that all can enjoy the ride


. You obviously have never been to a BA.com rally.






Although Paul, you have to admit when riding in a group, and even a group primarily riding Triumphs, by the sheer safety necessities of having to ride at a pace commiserate to those in the group with the least riding skills and experience, is always a must.

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Speedmaster05
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Re: 'Brutal Beauty' bobber [Re: Dwight]
      #663416 - 12/28/16 04:12 AM

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twhen riding in a group it is common to ride a bit slower so that all can enjoy the ride


. You obviously have never been to a BA.com rally.






Although Paul, you have to admit when riding in a group, and even a group primarily riding Triumphs, by the sheer safety necessities of having to ride at a pace commiserate to those in the group with the least riding skills and experience, is always a must.




Man, I hate group rides. And this is coming from a guy who is the "Road Director" of my Indian riders group chapter.

We are supposed to make group rides "by the book" to keep things as simple as possible and at or below the speed limit. For example, using a lot of right turns.

We found out the hard way that if you take folks on a twisty road, someone will drop their bike. So we tailor our monthly chapter rides to the lowest rider skill. After lunch, the cool kids break off on a hooligan ride.

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Re: 'Brutal Beauty' bobber [Re: Speedmaster05]
      #663425 - 12/28/16 02:13 PM

Group rides...
Someone is late...
Someone needs fuel....
Someone rides too close/ far away
Someone wants a coffee/smoke/ bladder empty...
I have two friends I ride with..we know how fast to go..
We know when we need fuel...
We like to ride far before we stop.
It works.

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Now where the ****** am I?


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