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hyates
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Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America?
      #432469 - 01/09/10 04:00 PM

Hi Folks.

My dealer just got in some new stock, and we found a Triumph locking fuel cap that was REALLY nice. They didn't have a fitment listed for the cap, but it did fit the Speedmaster in the showroom (a new 2007 model like ours). So, we bought it. We did try the generic one that NewSpeedmaster has and didn't like it.

Triumph's website lists this cap for the Bonneville. It fits just fine in the Speedmaster/America. Part number A9930170.

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Is there something I don't know as to why Triumph doesn't list this cap for the Speedmaster/America? Our bike has California emissions, does anybody know if that would cause a problem?

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: hyates]
      #432483 - 01/09/10 05:05 PM

That is nice looking. Does it have a key under the logo on a swivel plate? What does Triumph charge for one?

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: roadworthy]
      #432486 - 01/09/10 05:26 PM

Yeah, we liked it right away. It's a swivel cap with lock underneath it. They aren't cheap, but it's only a few $$$ more than the one from NewSpeedmaster. MSRP is $71.99 CDN or $59.99 US.

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: hyates]
      #432488 - 01/09/10 05:48 PM

Have a pic of it on the Speedmaster?

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: HeneryHawk]
      #432490 - 01/09/10 05:50 PM

Would it fir on an 05 speedy

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: hyates]
      #432506 - 01/09/10 07:45 PM

Have you tried it yet?
My first thought is that due to the recess on the dash maybe its not so easy to get on tight or get it off if does get on there tight.

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: Zmilin]
      #432507 - 01/09/10 07:51 PM

Quote:

Have you tried it yet?
My first thought is that due to the recess on the dash maybe its not so easy to get on tight or get it off if does get on there tight.




I was having those thoughts too, because of the lip on the console

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: Zmilin]
      #432508 - 01/09/10 07:56 PM

Hi Folks. It looks similar to this generic one from NewSpeedmaster.com. Sorry, no pics on our own bike... yet.

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Yup, tried it on the showroom model. Works just fine to secure and remove. Since the cap is recessed a bit due to the fascia, if you push down slightly with the palm of your hand and turn with your fingers it comes off quite easily. To secure it has an internal ratchet to prevent over tightening like the stock cap, but the ratchet isn't as stiff. So, it's actually pretty easy to secure the cap to the correct position.

Once you lock the cap on, you can freely spin the cap in either direction. I should also mention that the edge of the cap is knurled so there is some grip there for your fingers.

So, I'm up to FOUR keys for this bike now

H.

Edited by hyates (01/09/10 07:58 PM)


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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: hyates]
      #432549 - 01/10/10 08:06 AM

I had one on my America, getting it on was easy, but getting it off was a pain in the a$$.
After giving up trying to get it off at a petrol station I had to go home and use a screwdriver between the cap and the console. I put the stock one back on. £50 down the drain


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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: hyates]
      #432556 - 01/10/10 08:29 AM

It's a purdy little cap and a bit more sophisticated than the newspeedmaster one in the sense that it has the nifty cover over the key lock. I'm thinkin'... that cover is important for keeping out rain, which could freeze (in this part of the world anyway) and then whatareyagonnado?

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: Keith]
      #432563 - 01/10/10 09:37 AM

I would have to look at the cap closer but it may be possible to thread something in on either side of the lock to grab when removing. Like maybe a couple skull lic. plate bolts or maybe spike nuts or some other similar item.

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: hyates]
      #432576 - 01/10/10 11:20 AM

Hi Folks. This is getting WAY to complicated. The locking cap sits a little higher than the OEM cap. It has knurled edges to help grip. I installed it on our Speedmaster and took some pics for everyone.

The locking mechanism is similar to what Yamaha has used for the last decade or more. The main difference is that Triumph uses a screw-on cap, and Yamaha uses a pop off cap (two latches that retract). I have never experienced seizing of the lock or freezing. I don't ride when it's freezing out anyway I DO lube all my lock cylinders on a regular basis with Tri-Flow. Seizing and freezing is a non-issue here if maintained properly. Many motorcycles have their ignition locks on the top as well, and they work fine.

While this lock is not as easy to install/remove as it's a smooth and round surface without a tab to grab, it is not difficult to operate at all. I tighten to the first click, lock it, rotate to line up the logo, and cover the keyhole. To remove, unlock, close the clover, and press down a little bit with my palm while turning. It's not that difficult to do. The cap sits a little higher than the stock one and the knurled edges are exposed. It's definitely a compromise, but also very workable if you want a locking filler cap.

EDIT: My wife with much smaller hands than me, can open the cap by pressing her fingers on one hand down around the edges and then using her fingers from the other hand to turn the cap. Yeah, it's awkward, but not difficult to do.

The locking cap is on the right.

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I also see that the vents look the same between the original and the locking cap, so I guess I answered my own question on that issue.

Hope this helps,
H.

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Edited by hyates (01/10/10 11:33 AM)


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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: hyates]
      #432622 - 01/10/10 04:48 PM

Do you have to lock it and unlock it all the time or can you just leave it in the "un-lock" position so you don'nt have to fumble with extra keys on your key ring?

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: Two_Wheel_n]
      #432623 - 01/10/10 04:59 PM

No, you don't have to lock it. If you choose not to lock it, then the cap won't 'freewheel'. That means that the Triumph logo will be at any angle it ends up. You won't be able to rotate the cap without unscrewing it or tightening it. Not a big deal, but that's the only disadvantage I can see to that.

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: hyates]
      #432719 - 01/11/10 03:44 PM

Thanks for taking the time to snap those pics Ken and for all your description too.

I have the vented fuel cap from Brent and am pretty happy with it. Mind you, I would still prefer to have a nice looking cap that I could lock that wasn't vented (this one wasn't around when I bought mine). Also one I could rely on where the overflow valve doesn't seize on me again as it did on a ride out in the country where I usually break down .

Luckilly for me I worked out the problem and took the tube off the overflow after reading similar symptoms on here. Saved my butt which is why I appreciate this site and the blokes on it.

In saying this, I'm assuming this cap isn't vented given it replaces the stock cap right? Probably an unnecessary question but you know what they say, Assumption is the Mother of all fuc#ups.

Btw, has anyone come up with a solution how to ensure the overflow valve doesn't seize up. I'm thinking a few drops of oil or something like that but preferably something that would last a while

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: Stacka]
      #432737 - 01/11/10 05:05 PM

The cap has the vent thingy in it. In one of my pictures I show the two caps side by side, upside down. The guts are the same. So, I guess that's a one way valve... sucks air in, but won't let vapours/fuel escape out from the cap.

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: hyates]
      #432792 - 01/12/10 06:27 AM

That's a nice looking fuel cap. Not sure if it would be that easy to take on and off wearing gloves, but then again, if I'm stopped for fuel, I usally take the gloves off anyway.

I ended up removing the valve thingy attached to the end of the vent line after too many incidents of the bike cuting out on me due to vacum in the tank. I thought the vent line was just a rubber tube, but (at least on an 07) when you follow it to its end, it has a valve thingy on it. I guess the danger would be if you crashed your bike and fuel was coming out the breather tube as sparks are coming off the pavement you could catch fire. I guess I'll continue to live dangerously.


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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: gilligan]
      #432864 - 01/12/10 04:13 PM

Thanks Hyates. Patrick, I put mine back on but I now don't know why. I thought for some reason it would help if I did go over but the other day I overfilled my tank slightly and when on the stand it was leaking slightly out of the cap vent.

So I'll probably take mine off again too. I was caught out once with it which is why I got the vented cap in the first place. Having it on is a waste of space now and will disconnect it altogether I think. It's also a pain trying to connect to the tank when putting it back on the bike.

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: Stacka]
      #436073 - 01/30/10 11:45 PM

Has anyone considered using a Harley fuel cap?
I'm 1/2 way through modifing 1 I'll post a pic or 2, they don't need much modification to actually fit the Triumph tanks, just a bit of filing on the plastic thread, hopefully this should look pretty smick




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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: midnight7503]
      #436137 - 01/31/10 09:58 AM

The flush mount cap newspeedmaster has been selling for a while now is a Hardley cap.

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: The_Dog33]
      #436148 - 01/31/10 10:44 AM

I'm putting a Harley gas filler bung in my new tank so I have more options without hacks. I've generally been happy with the locking cap from newspeedmaster, but it is lacking in style. I like these: http://www.coolsac.com/Browse.aspx?category_code=GAS_CAPS

I'd like to find one that looks like my bulldog.

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: FriarJohn]
      #436161 - 01/31/10 12:01 PM

I like the skull there John but holy economy Batman! they are pricey!

Bulldog gas cap

I bet Custom Touch would make you one, he offered to make me custom parts when I talked to him on the phone. I was at the time getting pewter parts done for Wendy's bike.

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: The_Dog33]
      #436164 - 01/31/10 12:11 PM

I found these too




from here

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: The_Dog33]
      #436264 - 01/31/10 10:18 PM

Those don't really work with my full face helmet.

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: FriarJohn]
      #441713 - 03/01/10 05:05 PM

Yeah but at least wearing one of those Johnno, maybe the girls wouldn't run away from ya when you took the full face off

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: Stacka]
      #442170 - 03/04/10 03:51 AM

What was the definitive asnwer in the end. Does this filler cap fit a Speedy or not? It seems some say it does and others say not. I emailed my dealer and he said sorry, but not, but I'm not convinced they actually tried it. I love the look of this filler cap, but it's no good if it doesn't fit.

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: aceuggy]
      #442182 - 03/04/10 07:34 AM

If you are referring to the Bonneville cap at the beginning of this thread, the answer is yes.

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Re: Bonneville fuel cap on a Speedmaster/America? [Re: hyates]
      #442188 - 03/04/10 08:59 AM

Quote:

If you are referring to the Bonneville cap at the beginning of this thread, the answer is yes.

H.




Yes, that's the one. Thanks man.

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